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Republican_Man
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Discuss specific media hosts here.
| Exalya wrote: | Listen closely when he speaks of callers which oppose him. And I like Savage because he is deeply philosophical and explains himself thoroughly. He's a scholar and I respect that. I don't always agree with him--a lot less of late--but I can respect what he says. Rush...I haven't heard him say something I can agree with in a while, except some things about Libby. I listen to him most mornings.
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I do, and sometimes he does that, but I think he's fine there. He's not like Savage, calling people he disagrees with "witches" and stuff when they call in--I remember this one time. Boy oh boy. It was amazing. Savage is a lot crueler, and I think Rush is better overall. He's right more times than Savage, and analyzes the news well.
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Arellia
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Really? Direct quote from Rush.
"I want to say something about these anti-war demonstrators. No let's not mince words, let's call them what they are: anti-American demonstrators."
That's not kind, not fair, not well-thought out.
Really, we listen to these people for them to yell at other people. I like Savage because of his levelling with his listeners. He has a bad temper. Rush is pompous and so pro-Republican it scares me.  Different tastes.
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| Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:14 pm |
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Okay, I'll submit to you that sometimes Rush says things like that. But he's generally right there, in some ways. I mean, I would say that SOME of the anti-war demonstrators are anti-American demonstrators. I wouldn't generalize them like he does so much like that. I'll submit to you that he does go off-edge sometimes and generalizes to much. However, that doesn't change the fact (at least from my point of view) that his underlying message is the truth, and that he's often right, and often thinks things out. But sometimes, he does things like that, which I don't like. But that kind of thing is why I don't agree with him all the time. Take away some of those off-the-wall things, and I'd likely agree with him 99% of the time. But he does say some of those things that I disagree with.
Savage, yes, I listen to him for the entertainment, but if you want to talk about mean and stuff, talk about him. HE'S extreme. I agree with him maybe 45% of the time, if that.
Rush is pompous sometimes, I'll give you that, and he should be a bit more critical of the Republicans when necessary, but otherwise, I disagree with you're anti-Rush sentiment there. I really like him. He's a good speaker and often right. And you have to give him some credit. Without him, I wouldn't be the person I am today. Not to mention, the media wouldn't be the same. Not at all.
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Arellia
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| Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:18 pm |
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*ahem* Well. I think of Rush as a bad influence. Sean's different. Sean really cares. I don't always agree with him on some things, but he's heartfelt and truly, deeply wants the best for the nation. He's got some great arguing points besides that, and I feel he is a far better critical thinker and wordsmith than Rush. Sean rocks.
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| Exalya wrote: | | *ahem* Well. I think of Rush as a bad influence. Sean's different. Sean really cares. I don't always agree with him on some things, but he's heartfelt and truly, deeply wants the best for the nation. He's got some great arguing points besides that, and I feel he is a far better critical thinker and wordsmith than Rush. Sean rocks. |
As a person, Sean is way better. As a critical thinker and a wordsmith, Sean's better. As a speaker, Rush is better. For having a more entertaining show, Rush is better. I will say that I like Hannity better than Rush now. He's a very good man and everything. But I still like Rush and think him often right, but I find myself disagreeing with him more and more, yes.
And what I mean is that my Grandpa sparked the fire (partially thanks to Rush), and then Rush, with his entertaining show and logical ideas, added some paper, and Hannity added firewood. What I mean is that without Rush, I probably wouldn't be a Conservative. I probably wouldn't be involved in any way with politics. I probably wouldn't be typing in WN now. I would be a different person, and I like Conservative Republican me. That's what I mean.
I think Rush wants the best for America, but he thinks that the only way to do that is with Republicans in power. I disagree.
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Rush Limbaugh makes me reconsider whether or not I think free speech is really such a good idea for everyone.
(Please note I am not serious about this  )
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As a speaker...if you want good, solid premises...Sean's better. I applaude Rush for starting the whole thing, though. I just wish he didn't have such influence.
I haven't listened to O'Reilly on radio in forever. Does he still have it? And have you heard Alan Colmes' show yet?
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| Puck wrote: | | Rush Limbaugh makes me reconsider whether or not I think free speech is really such a good idea for everyone. |
I don't understand that. He's FAR from that kind of a person. Savage or Coulter are closer than that, and Al Franken and Michael Moore are closer. Rush isn't on the fringe. He just has such an ego that everyone has to agree with him or else.
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| Exalya wrote: | As a speaker...if you want good, solid premises...Sean's better. I applaude Rush for starting the whole thing, though. I just wish he didn't have such influence.
I haven't listened to O'Reilly on radio in forever. Does he still have it? And have you heard Alan Colmes' show yet? |
Sure, Sean's better there, and Rush deserves respect.
O'Reilly still hasn't, but I haven't listened to him in well over a year 'cause we don't have it here anymore.
Colmes' show I haven't heard.
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Savage is well read and has some great philosophical points. I agree with Kevin here. Rush's overpowering influence over other people is sincerely troubling.
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| Exalya wrote: | | Savage is well read and has some great philosophical points. I agree with Kevin here. Rush's overpowering influence over other people is sincerely troubling. |
It's not his fault that so many people really listen to him so much that they're crazed, yes. He's great at what he does, and that's why he has such a large audience. While he has strong influence, though, it's no reason to think that maybe he should be denied freedom of speech. He's far from that.
And Savage may have some great philosophical points, but he's on the fringe. I think he's worse than Rush there, and is more of a person to consider denying freedom of speech to than Rush.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | Rush Limbaugh makes me reconsider whether or not I think free speech is really such a good idea for everyone. |
I don't understand that. He's FAR from that kind of a person. Savage or Coulter are closer than that, and Al Franken and Michael Moore are closer. Rush isn't on the fringe. He just has such an ego that everyone has to agree with him or else. |
Or else they are wrong? I just don't like allowing hypocrites, liars, and bigots shaping my opinions, and the opinions of my fellow Americans. I really am sad to see that he has such a large base that listens to him and takes him seriously.
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...a guy who talks about feeding the ducks and whether or not souls belong to everyone? A guy who reads Churchill quotes and calls on people to study religious heretics? Savage is truly stimulating in times like that. I learn a lot from him.
I'm not serious about denying a freedom, but to think that people rally behind Rush...people who know nothing better... *sigh* Sad. But then, you can't make people get an education.
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| Puck wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | Rush Limbaugh makes me reconsider whether or not I think free speech is really such a good idea for everyone. |
I don't understand that. He's FAR from that kind of a person. Savage or Coulter are closer than that, and Al Franken and Michael Moore are closer. Rush isn't on the fringe. He just has such an ego that everyone has to agree with him or else. |
Or else they are wrong? I just don't like allowing hypocrites, liars, and bigots shaping my opinion. I really am sad to see that he has such a large base that listens to him and takes him seriously. |
He IS a person to take seriously. He's NOT a person to not take seriously. He IS a person, however, to not take SO seriously like some do. Listening to other opinions has opened me up to knowing that Rush isn't right always, and I think that everyone should see that and realize that and not take him so seriously that he is the shaper of their opinions. If I hadn't branched out and listened to other Conservatives, and liberals, then I would be just like one of those extreme dittoheads. I'm a dittohead, but not as extreme as I could have been, thank God. But he's a man to take seriously, he comes up with good points, and he's often right. I like him, overall.
He, however, is not a liar and a bigot, and the hypocrite thing is up for debate.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | Rush Limbaugh makes me reconsider whether or not I think free speech is really such a good idea for everyone. |
I don't understand that. He's FAR from that kind of a person. Savage or Coulter are closer than that, and Al Franken and Michael Moore are closer. Rush isn't on the fringe. He just has such an ego that everyone has to agree with him or else. |
Or else they are wrong? I just don't like allowing hypocrites, liars, and bigots shaping my opinion. I really am sad to see that he has such a large base that listens to him and takes him seriously. |
He IS a person to take seriously. He's NOT a person to not take seriously. He IS a person, however, to not take SO seriously like some do. Listening to other opinions has opened me up to knowing that Rush isn't right always, and I think that everyone should see that and realize that and not take him so seriously that he is the shaper of their opinions. If I hadn't branched out and listened to other Conservatives, and liberals, then I would be just like one of those extreme dittoheads. I'm a dittohead, but not as extreme as I could have been, thank God. But he's a man to take seriously, he comes up with good points, and he's often right. I like him, overall.
He, however, is not a liar and a bigot, and the hypocrite thing is up for debate. |
He comes off as someone who will say anything to cover for the Republicans. I like Savage's calling him "Hush Bimbo." I very rarely hear a good point from him.
Main Entry: big�ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
Bigtime bigot, if you ask me.
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| Exalya wrote: | ...a guy who talks about feeding the ducks and whether or not souls belong to everyone? A guy who reads Churchill quotes and calls on people to study religious heretics? Savage is truly stimulating in times like that. I learn a lot from him.
I'm not serious about denying a freedom, but to think that people rally behind Rush...people who know nothing better... *sigh* Sad. But then, you can't make people get an education. |
That's why I'm glad I branched out. While I still consider myself a dittohead, I think for myself and form my own opinions taking into account other opinions and facts. I don't like how people go so far as to believe him and take him SO seriously. There are a certain portion of his audience, though, that are blind, and that disturbs me, yes. But you can't do anything about it--only they can and subjecting them to other opinions to form their own opinions can (through debate, something that I wish Rush had). But that's no reason to question the first amendment, like Kevin did, which is what you said that you agree with.
It's how listeners interpret it that's the problem; not the host.
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| Exalya wrote: | | Bigtime bigot, if you ask me. |
I call it close-minded, which is one thing I don't like about him.
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I like Hannity and Limbaugh. I used to really like Savage, but his little on air incident a few years ago made me lose some respect in him.
Savage is all about the books. His books don't leave room for his 'short fuse'...
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I added a media outlet part to this topic to discuss news stations, papers, etc.
I want to make one comment about Fox News, the so-called "Conservative News Channel." Hah! I say to you who all believe that Fox is conservative. I just saw a commercial for their special this weekend on, guess what, Global Warming. Yeah, they're conservative alright.  Again, they're definitely not conservative. They're just like their famous #1 host Bill O'Reilly on the political spectrum--right in the middle. They might even be a bit more liberal than O'Reilly overall!
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