| Do you approve of the job President Bush Is Doing? |
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7% |
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15% |
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| No |
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46% |
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Puck
The Texan
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 Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:46 pm |
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There is also no reason to be debating how extreme someones political veiws are in this thread. Back on topic.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:47 pm |
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I don't think labels are important here. That you can think, and think independently of what anyone else tells you, is good. Liberal or conservative...who cares? I fall on the side of a little of both.
Edit: *ahem* ...Kevin beat me to it. But yeah. That. 
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:23 pm |
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Considering that Bush is going to be choosing a much better nominee, and Miers, a questionable nominee, is no longer the nomination, my opinion of Bush has gone up a bit.
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:36 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Considering that Bush is going to be choosing a much better nominee, and Miers, a questionable nominee, is no longer the nomination, my opinion of Bush has gone up a bit. |
I don't really understand what one has to do with the other.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:41 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Considering that Bush is going to be choosing a much better nominee, and Miers, a questionable nominee, is no longer the nomination, my opinion of Bush has gone up a bit. |
I don't really understand what one has to do with the other. |
Well, I think that Miers was far from the best of choices. There were so many more qualified nominees, and yet she was nominated. Now, she isn't--likely a decision of Bush himself--and I feel like I've gained some more faith in Bush to truly nominate a qualified, Scalia/Thomas justice. This just gave me some assurance that he sees how unqualified she may have been for the post, and therefore decided to have her withdraw. I just feel a bit better about Bush for that. Not that I'm opposed to Miers--I don't know enough about her--but it was her qualifications and all that, and that made me lose a little bit of like of Bush. But since he's likely to make a good choice, my opinion has gone up.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:43 pm |
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I just glanced at an article, but supposedly, she chose to withdraw, and Bush was reluctant to accept the withdrawal.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:47 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | I just glanced at an article, but supposedly, she chose to withdraw, and Bush was reluctant to accept the withdrawal. |
I'm not so sure about the veracity of that, really. It's possible, but I think that the reason he would have accepted, if HE accepted it and not her, did it to nominate a truly better choice, and I gained some of the lost respect for him for that.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:52 pm |
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Well, I am not sure whether you mean you think the article is not being completly accurate, or if Bush is not being completly up front with us about this...but I found the section of the article:
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Bush said he stood behind Miers, who will stay on as White House counsel, and reluctantly accepted her decision to withdraw. |
SOURCE: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173665,00.html
Either way, I believe that Bush is sincerely doing what he thinks is right for the country, I am unsure whether good intentions make up for the doubts I have though.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:56 pm |
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^Yeah, I have to trust that Bush accepted it, but I agree with you there.
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Arellia
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:46 pm |
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Miers withdrawing doesn't add or take away from my opinion of Bush. Bush is...okay. I don't think he means ill for people. However...is he, or any of our "leaders" truly among the people in the country I consider to be gifted, deeply reflective, charismatic leaders? Unfortunately, no.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:49 pm |
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He's no Reagan, that's for sure; I'll give you that. However, he's a good man and overall a good President, although he has had his faults and I have been mad at him at a lot of things lately, but I still like him. This just assured me of that.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:52 pm |
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Just saying...of all the people we have in our country, why is it we choose people for high positions that don't possess that kind of true leadership quality? Bugs me.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:59 pm |
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Well, most of the time it seems not to be them, but the administration. And its not as if you can scrutinize an entire administration and come to decision. Its always going to be a "lesser of two evils" choice, or so it seems.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:00 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | Just saying...of all the people we have in our country, why is it we choose people for high positions that don't possess that kind of true leadership quality? |
I think that in his first term he was a phenominal leader. Then, not so much in his second term. He no longer has that Reagan-like quality, but nonetheless, I still find him to be a decent leader and a good person. He's the best person of this day to lead our country in a time of terrorism--save, say, Hannity, but that's just a dream. 
Seriously, though. I think he's done well and is a good person, president, and generally a good leader. As good as his second term? No, not nearly. But still a good president and all that.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:37 pm |
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What I don't quite get is how the American people aren't giving the President quality marks considering the success of the Iraqi Constitution elections. It passed, and yet it's getting hardly any coverage and doesn't seem to be helping him in the poll numbers. I don't quite understand it.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
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| Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:45 pm |
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Really...I think the people who supported the war would praise that anyway--which would basically be the people who voted for Bush--and those who don't like him anyway probably won't be convinced. In their eyes it might be good, but they don't attribute it to Bush. They still blame him for going into a war they don't think we should've gotten into to begin with. That the Iraqi's are starting to take back their country doesn't seem to matter.
At least, so I see it.
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Theresa
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| Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:48 pm |
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The American people don't like to be wrong. And the protesters are still saying we shouldn't have gone there. My lovely Nana calls them "animals" because they fought/fight amongst themselves, and us.
I find her views disgusting and disturbing, but far from isolated.
Since I just watched it again, and it's based on a true story, I'll use Rwanda as an example. If you were to believe the media coming out of there, the Hutus were oppressing the Tutsi, and that there was a massive racial devide. This simply wasn't true. The powerful, (Saddam and his regime), controlled the media. The media said that the Iraqi people were happy as they were. Right. How many more mass graves must be found?
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