Would you destroy the caretakers eray or not? |
Yer i would. |
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councmatt Commander
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 453 Location: Elm Park - London
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:13 pm If you were Janeway would you destroy the caretaker's array? |
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Janeway destoyed the only way home in caretaker part 2. Would you of?
write down your thoughts and tell us why...
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:23 pm |
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You already made one topic like this.... lol just trying to help
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councmatt Commander
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 453 Location: Elm Park - London
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:32 pm |
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i no but i spelt something wroung and a sentence made no sents when i turned that one on so i made one that is understandable soz for that
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:43 pm |
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Ok I hate to repeat what I said in the oher one.
I would cause I rather sacrifice my crew return home to save the race ocumpa and let the Kazon get a hold to the eray and let them take the advantage with their evil ways to the delta quandrant. I would not want to be selfish and I would want to help a race even though it meant I have to find another way home. I think my crew would soon to understand just like Janeway's did.
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councmatt Commander
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 453 Location: Elm Park - London
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:51 pm |
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I would of destroyed the caretakers eray. My crew would understand given time. but why be selfish when you can do that one hurrific deed and help a people out! thats what i would do if i was janeway.
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:05 pm |
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I would have. It was the RIGHT thing to do.
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:28 pm |
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councmatt wrote: | i no but i spelt something wroung and a sentence made no sents when i turned that one on so i made one that is understandable soz for that |
you could have just edited it.
Its considderd spam i believe.
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:27 pm |
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But anyone can make a mistake Lionhead. Noone's perfect. We all are human.
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EnsignSkelly Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 113 Location: I'd bet you'd love to find that out...
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:04 am |
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Lol. I would have destroyed the eray becuase it's helping inocent people and also it gives you time to explore a whole new quadrant and find new speices and anomiles.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:26 am |
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Voyager2004 wrote: | I would have. It was the RIGHT thing to do. |
Why is it the RIGHT thing to do? The Caretaker brought Voyager and the Maquis ship to the DQ, against their will. The Caretaker is the one who screwed up the Ocampa's planet.
Voyager is in no way responsible for the Caretakers actions, actually, they were just as much victims as the Ocampa, so using the same device that brought them there to go home wouldn't have been a selfish, or bad, act by Janeway. Destroying the array, however, was selfish of her.
Thank God for the never ending supply of torpedoes, huh?
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:30 am |
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no, it is backwards It would be selfish of her not to help the ocumpa and let the Kazon get a hold to the eray and do with it with their evil ways.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:38 am |
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How so? Her own crew, plus another she picked up, were at risk. A planet that someone else screwed up is at risk, in a quadrant that Starfleet has yet to even touch. Not to mention the families of the people on her ship. Remember, they thought they were all dead for several years.
The Ocampa were on a planet, underground. The Kazon hadn't located them yet, though it was probable it would happen soon. Janeway et al were on a ship, in an area of space where they had no idea the tactical capabilities of anyone. She should have gotten her ship home. She didn't really save the Ocampa, you know. Merely delayed the inevitable. They were probably found a few months after Janeway and Voyager left the area.
So, to sum it up, she gave the Ocampa a few more Kazon free months, and let Voyager be stranded for what everyone thought would be 70 years. (Yes, I know it was only seven, could you imagine a tv series lasting 70 years? Ick, )
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Tuvok8917 Dutchie
Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 4205 Location: On my way back home
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:05 am |
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Theresa wrote: |
Why is it the RIGHT thing to do? The Caretaker brought Voyager and the Maquis ship to the DQ, against their will. The Caretaker is the one who screwed up the Ocampa's planet.
Voyager is in no way responsible for the Caretakers actions, actually, they were just as much victims as the Ocampa, so using the same device that brought them there to go home wouldn't have been a selfish, or bad, act by Janeway. Destroying the array, however, was selfish of her.
Thank God for the never ending supply of torpedoes, huh? |
I agree with you Theresa. If she used the device, none of her crew would've been killed, okay.. most of them wouldn't. And besides, the Kazon can never rule the Delta Quardrent, because of the Borg. Janeway wasn't thinking with the action she made. Most of the time she isn't thinking, before making an action, but that's not the point. If "Admiral Janeway" didn't convinced Captain Janeway, they would still wandering in the Delta Quardrent, with a minimum crew of 30 and a almost destroyed ship, who isn't capable of warp anymore. She just lack the thing wich we call, thinking. Sometimes i even think: Does she has a brain? That will never work..! Unfortunally, the people who wrote the storyline, manipulated it so, that the ideas always worked....
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:14 am |
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Ok I would have done something completely different than either.
I would have not destroyed the array and also would have not returned back the the alpha Q immediately. I would have set course back to the ocompan home world and remained in orbit or landed and assist the ocompa any way possible. What Janeway did, destroying the array then simply leaving was not helping the ocompa because they had no replicator technology or renewable energy so they were going to die.
After a couple of weeks I would return to the array in a shuttle with an away team and study the technology that is capable of transporting ships across the galaxy. Assuming I could fit it to a shuttle to return to the alpha Q and I would strip the array of the tech and leave it on voyager or the ocompa homeworld under lock and key. The shuttle (assuming the tech is adaptable) return to the federation with all the info on the technology so Starfleet could possible send ships back using the same technology.
I would then offer the ocompa homeworld federation membership and hopefully the federation could gain presence in ocompan system using the arrays technology to send ships back and fourth. Then federation space would grow exponentially outward from the ocompan system.
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councmatt Commander
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 453 Location: Elm Park - London
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:39 am |
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That sounds like a really good idea... But you did miss out one thing pranikishSmart... how are you ment to keep the eray from being boarded by the Kayzon if your ship is on the ocampa homeworld at least 5 light years away?
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Admiral Dani�l Dutch Admiral
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 2177 Location: Borg Cube 31572 - Join us now!
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:41 am |
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I would have destroyed it because what if the Kazon, Borg and many others should take it? Then the Alpha Quadrent would be at no mercy, vessels coming from every corner and shadow... and the lives of 150(or something) for the life of 6 Billion... hmm what shall i choose?
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:48 am |
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councmatt wrote: | That sounds like a really good idea... But you did miss out one thing pranikishSmart... how are you ment to keep the eray from being boarded by the Kayzon if your ship is on the ocampa homeworld at least 5 light years away? |
The kazon don't have transporters so they would have to try and dock with the array... somehow. And what are they going to do with it. They are a technologically inferior species (voyager was going up against 4 of those huge kazon ships in one episode). It would take them a very long amount of time to obtain the technology and study it to a point of usefulness.
Janeway jumped the gun literally and overrated the danger from the kazon.
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councmatt Commander
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 453 Location: Elm Park - London
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:03 pm |
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you have got a point. And it wasnt 4 kayzon ships it was about 8. Baiscs part 1.
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charlie American Soldier
Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 598 Location: In The United States
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:03 pm |
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I would not destroyed the aray. The thought never came to mind or it never will. Janeway did the right thing and not be selfish. She had a heart to help and it was the right thing to do. You can't be cold about things or heartless.
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:12 pm |
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Lol Charlie but u know Janeway haters don't see it that way
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:30 pm |
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Sorry prankish, but who's to say then that the Kazon also wouldn't board Voyager on the Ocampa Homeworld? That idea just wouldn't work.
Janeway didn't jump the gun on the Kazon threat. And nobody ever said anything about the Kazon "ruling" the DQ. It was right of her to at least TRY and protect an entire species. It at least bought the Ocampa more time to figure out a more long term plan. It's called having a heart. And she does have a brain. All of her ideas work out. Come on.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:47 pm |
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I would have tried to take the Array by force. If memory serves me correctly, Voyager drove the Ocampa away. This gave them time to study the array. They could have talked to Kes about bringing some or all of her people to the array. They could have worked with them to study it. Taught them how to use it. Then let them rebuild or fix their planet. Either that or get them a new planet. Then when they were ready, Janeway could bring VOY home. But NNNNOOOO. Janeway just had to rush to destroy it. *sigh* Who let her become Captain!?
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:00 pm |
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Your memory apparently doesn't serve. Voyager didn't drive anybody away. Especially not the Ocampa. They were underneath the planet's surface. The Kazon were right there when Voyager launched the Tricobalt devices on the array.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:06 pm |
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Voyager2004 wrote: | Your memory apparently doesn't serve. Voyager didn't drive anybody away. Especially not the Ocampa. They were underneath the planet's surface. The Kazon were right there when Voyager launched the Tricobalt devices on the array. |
Actually I meant Kazon. Sorry. They did beat them though, because didn't the Kazon flee?
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:10 pm |
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Yeah...they did something like that...
I got the episode...I'm gonna check here soon.
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