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Arellia
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| Founder wrote: | | Exalya wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | What does Allah translate to? And what is Buddah to those that believe in Buddism that believe Buddah to be god? GOD. It's all the same thing. |
Nope. Budhists don't believe in God. Hindus think there are over 300,000 gods. Allah is the name for a Muslim God, but from what I've read, it's not near the same relationship of the Christian God--named Yahwey, (sp?) or Yhvh. |
With all due respect, that isn't true. Buddists do believe in God. Just in a very unique way. Hindus beleive that all the Gods are one God in many forms. My g/f is Hindu, she taught me this.  Allah maybe the Muslim God, but God does not limit himself to race.
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*bows* Well, then, I was misinformed.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:13 pm |
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Founder, may I ask if you know what you're girlfriend's feelings on the Pledge are?
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Founder
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| Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:18 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | *bows* Well, then, I was misinformed. |
Its no problem. I didn't mean to sound like an ass.  You're correct that they don't believe in God the way we do, but they do believe he exists.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder, may I ask if you know what you're girlfriend's feelings on the Pledge are? |
I don't know honestly. I never asked her.
She probably wouldn't care, but wouldn't understand why this is needed.
You know, people are dieing and starving and suffering all over the world, America included. Is this what people are fighting for? Was it worth it?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:18 pm |
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Hmmm, it seems to be that claims that Muslims and Christians worship the same god was only made to bring peace between the two. I don't think that thats a bad thing, just that its innacurate.
The Qu'ran says:
The true religion with God is Islam" (3:17)
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"Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My blessing upon you, and I have approved Islam for your religion" (5:5).
Whereas Jesus in the Bible says:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me" (John 14:6)
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Founder
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| Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:36 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | Hmmm, it seems to be that claims that Muslims and Christians worship the same god was only made to bring peace between the two. I don't think that thats a bad thing, just that its innacurate.
The Qu'ran says:
The true religion with God is Islam" (3:17)
and
"Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My blessing upon you, and I have approved Islam for your religion" (5:5).
Whereas Jesus in the Bible says:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me" (John 14:6) |
There is no conflict in what you said at all.
Jesus is very real in Islam. Jesus isn't saying in that quote, that Only through Chrisitianity will you reach the Father. He said only through him. Islam acknowledges Jesus. They may not believe in him the same way the Christians/Catholics do, but they believe he was a Prophet that was sent down to be the Messiah. Which is pretty damn close.
What we have to understand is that each Religion is through the eyes of different cultures and ways of life. Thus the differences.
Although this is getting slightly off topic....
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LightningBoy
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| Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:47 pm |
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From the dictionary
| Quote: | 1. God
1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot. |
Seems to me one, or many of these definitions can fit any religious god, creator, or anything. It doesn't imply Christianity, because God is not God's name.
The Judeo/Christian Muslim God's names, by language:
English - Jehovah (Iehovah)
Hebrew - Yahweh (Yhwh)
Arabic - Allah
The Main Hindu Gods are Shiva or Vishnu.
Buddhism has Gods, they just don't have the same idea of what they are, or what they do.
The only people this caters to are Athiests. This shows that the judges are favoring one minority again.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:33 pm |
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I agree with you, LB, however we cannot spin the facts: In fact, most Buddhists don't worship a God, persay, but simply believe in the ideals taught by the poor man called Buddha (which is why it's often thought of more as a philosophy than a religion). However, in a lot of ways, that is like a God, which is what makes it a religion as well as a philosophical deal.
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Founder
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| Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:53 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I agree with you, LB, however we cannot spin the facts: In fact, most Buddhists don't worship a God, persay, but simply believe in the ideals taught by the poor man called Buddha (which is why it's often thought of more as a philosophy than a religion). However, in a lot of ways, that is like a God, which is what makes it a religion as well as a philosophical deal. |
No, they DO believe in God. Although they have a VERY different outlook on God. You would be correct in that they don't really worship him perse.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:12 pm |
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Sidhartha Gotama (sp on that) wasn't actually poor, but a prince. And no, Buddhists don't worship a god or any idols. They believe in enlightenment, but they don't believe they need god to find it.
| Founder wrote: | | IntrepidIsMe wrote: | Hmmm, it seems to be that claims that Muslims and Christians worship the same god was only made to bring peace between the two. I don't think that thats a bad thing, just that its innacurate.
The Qu'ran says:
The true religion with God is Islam" (3:17)
and
"Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My blessing upon you, and I have approved Islam for your religion" (5:5).
Whereas Jesus in the Bible says:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me" (John 14:6) |
There is no conflict in what you said at all.
Jesus is very real in Islam. Jesus isn't saying in that quote, that Only through Chrisitianity will you reach the Father. He said only through him. Islam acknowledges Jesus. They may not believe in him the same way the Christians/Catholics do, but they believe he was a Prophet that was sent down to be the Messiah. Which is pretty damn close.
What we have to understand is that each Religion is through the eyes of different cultures and ways of life. Thus the differences.
Although this is getting slightly off topic.... |
Indeed, but Jesus was saying that the only way to reach god is through himself. Therefore, Christianity. There a bunch of contradictions between the Quran and the Bible, that make the Muslim god and the Christian god out to be totally different.
Didn't feel like going through my notes to find them all, but here is a site:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/islam/faqs/a0029179.cfm
However, in the interests of peace, I'd say that if claiming that both gods are the same and having people believe it, then thats great.
I don't see how it would be a big deal to take the words out again, afterall they were only put in place to combat Communism. But still, just don't say it if its that big of a deal to you. I'm sure most students will just do whatever their parents say. They don't seem to really like to think for themselves, as far as I can see.
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LightningBoy
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:51 pm |
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I don't think that that is accurate. From what I was taught, only certain sects of Buddhism worship Gods.
And also, although there may be differences between the Quaran and the Bible, we nonetheless worship the same God.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:55 pm |
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I looked it up, and according to most sites, they claim to have no gods or idols that they worship. Is also in history text books that they have no gods. Although "spirits" really aren't gods. Gabriel isn't god, but more of a "spirit." I suppose its mostly interpretation.
Edit: Heres an interesting site with lots of info on Buddhism in general.
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda03.htm
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LightningBoy
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Ok, back to the dictionary:
| Quote: | | 3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. |
I'd say the above fit.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:21 pm |
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So, does that make Gabriel and Michael gods, not to mention Lucifer?
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:07 pm |
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It would depend what you believe. It's certainly possible that you could see them as so.
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IntrepidIsMe
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Well, then its all open to interpretation. In which case nobody is right, and nobody is wrong. I suppose thats best. Or something.
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webtaz99
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The Pledge of Allegiance is just that. By all means, if the words "under God" offends someone, let them replace those words with a brief silence. But to refuse to say the pledge at all is refusing to support our nation and its laws, which should be grounds for the revocation of citizenship.
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