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Republican_Man
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 Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:34 am BIDEN SELECTED AS OBAMA VP |
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Greetings everyone! FOX News, CNN, and the AP have confirmed that long-time Delaware Senator Joseph Biden has been tapped as the vice-presidential nominee of Barack Obama. There will be a mass text message sent out to supporters tomorrow, followed with a joint appearance in Springfield, Illinois later in the afternoon.
This is a good pick for Obama, lending some much-needed experience to the ticket. Still, Biden's not the presidential candidate, and he's not entirely clean, so to speak, as there are some big issues with Biden, but nevertheless, it was a good, strong pick, one of the best veep selections he could have made. But I think his absolute rejection of Clinton, not even vetting her or contacting her beforehand to ask for her opinion, hurts Obama with uniting the party.
Biden is going to be, as Fox's Shepherd Smith put it tonight, "Attack dog in chief." He's not an easy one to go up against, so McCain needs someone who can go toe-to-toe with him in debate. Makes me real interested in who McCain will pick now.
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Arellia
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| Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:30 pm |
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I'm not impressed with the choice. There are good points--Biden is very experienced, and Obama, like Lincoln, would do well to surround himself with varying points of view. It is somewhat unnerving to some supporters who see Biden as anti-change, but it's my hope that Obama's cabinet (when he has one) will be much more interesting. I would have chosen Webb or Chet Edwards, and I can't say I like Biden... but after much thought, I'm going to trust Obama on this one. He's come through for his supporters before.
On an extra positive note, it's not Hillary. It wasn't ever going to be Hillary, but anyway... yay for not Hillary.
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| Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:39 pm |
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Yes, one of the things I love about the Biden choice is that he somewhat undercuts Obama's claim to be running as an agent of "change."  I'm working on my next column for this coming week, timed with the Dems in town, and I'll post it here when I have it. It'll address, in part, the Biden pick in regards to Obama's experience. Just wait and see!
McCain '08!
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Arellia
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| Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:45 pm |
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It does somewhat undercut the idea, but Obama needs an advisor like Biden who has lots of Washington experience. He has said that he wanted all kinds of people on his side, both old-school Washington people and people who are brand new. And, honestly, if god forbid something happened to Obama, Biden would step up as a very "basic" president... in other words, he could handle the job, no question, although he wouldn't be "exciting." Again, I wish Obama could put out names for his cabinet, because I get the idea those names would be much more surprising.
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| Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:41 pm |
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Fiery speech from Joe Biden. He deserves credit for a quality speech that was well-given. Biden's primary role will be Attack Dog-in-Chief, charing after McCain as a continuation of the Bush presidency and so forth. McCain's pick's definitely gotta be a firm one, and there are some good choices for him. I'm very interested in who he's going to select. But I'm looking forward to the GOP tearing Biden and Obama apart, lol. Today Obama-Biden looks like a good ticket; tomorrow, though, is to be seen.
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| Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:25 pm |
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From the point of view as a curious((and greatfully uninvolved)) onlooker, I have to say that this is perhaps a curious choice.
As RM said, it undercuts his claim for 'change', and in addition, it adds variables into an already complex election equation. As pointed out by several new sources, Biden is a bit of a controversy-magnet, and I'm not sure that Obama, who is attempting to keep the image of a 'united party' should have picked him. Although I think I can agree with Arellia, that despite my previous opinions, it is a good thing it isn't Hillary. She would do well. She strikes me as the type of person who requires either all the power, or would rather have none, if she had to answer to someone. Especially a male.
McCain, on the other hand, still hasn't even bothered to announce his running mate. And I think it was a good choice on his part, as he was likely analyzing his opponents, and trying to see exactly who would work best to attack which team.
Most importantly, however, I think, will be McCain's choice now. If he picks someone who has a good speech-writer, and a loud throwing voice, he has a much worse chance, as McCain already has an eloquent Speech-writing team((or he can think things up on the go pretty damn good)), and his throwing voice booms enough. I think McCain would be much better off if he picked a running-mate who was soft-spoken, and intellectually minded, perhaps a University professor, or something of the like, as it would help counter his opinions, and rather loud voice. In addition, if McCain grabs someone who can yell as loud, or louder than he himself can, then people will simply stop paying attention to him, as he will fail to stay as the primary point of attention.
Obama's choice, however does have one key advantage to it: It was not something that anyone expected him to choose, likely including McCain, and thus, not someone McCain has a contingency plan designed to run against. This could go either way, though, if McCain decides to wing it, and ALSO bring a thought-of-outside-the-box running mate.
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Arellia
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| Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:59 pm |
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As I see it, McCain's solid choice is Romney. Romney is a businessman, a good person (I believe), and a strong conservative. Rumors, however, say that McCain is considering a pro-choice person--I think this would be a fatal error. While it would be good for attracting moderates, racist pro-choicers, and conservative independents, it would destroy the enthusiasm and many of the votes on the religious right. I know a lot of people who chose their candidate based on the abortion issue.
The advantage of Biden is that although he does attract controversy, he is strong willed and outspoken--a promise Obama made good on. Obama said he wanted someone who would speak up and disagree with him, and Biden falls in that category. If you re-watch some debates (I watched a few clips this morning), Biden and Obama were at odds. I think on that front, it was a smart choice. Obama is not comfortable going on the attack, but Biden has a way with words, a way with wit. I think that they have complimentary, if totally different, speaking styles. I see it almost as a marriage. In many marriages, two different but similar people put together their strengths to make a more comprehensive whole. Biden seems to do this.
About the unexpectedness though, Squiggy, while it wasn't considered a likely choice originally, Biden has been talked about for 2 weeks as the likely candidate. I think it was pretty much after Edwards was not a possibility. If it weren't for Edwards and the sudden realization he had done something awful, I would have thought Obama would chose him.
Fun Fact: Biden's net worth is only $100-150,000. Pleases me.
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| Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:55 pm |
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Here's my latest column, as promised:
| Quote: | DNC is showcase in Obama�s inexperience
The Democrats are here, the euphoria�s in the air and Barack Obama is about to be crowned the Prince of Change. But if nothing else, with the backdrop of the majestic Rocky Mountains and presence of seasoned politicians like Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Joe Biden, the 2008 Democratic National Convention is a showcase in Obama�s inexperience, a point exemplified in his selection of Biden as VP.
It�s hard to believe that Obama had hardly been a U.S. Senator for two years when he announced his historic bid for the presidency in Feb. 2007, yet the truth is that Obama�s resume is strikingly thin for a presidential candidate. Sure, the story of his political career is a remarkable one: Obama was elected state senator in 1997 and served in that position for less than 8 years before being sworn in as Illinois�s junior senator. And now, after barely being in politics for 11 years, Barack Obama is about to become the Democratic nominee for President.
Without a doubt, Obama has extraordinary speaking talent and, as Blues legend Muddy Waters would put it, he�s got his �mojo working.� But for many Americans, it just isn�t working on them, a fact exposed in recent polls.
In the RealClearPolitics.com polling average, Obama stands at less than 2% above McCain, a poor standing for a candidate who should be at least 15 points ahead. It is clear that a large number of Americans recognize that mojo and talent don�t make a person qualified to be the President of the United States; knowledge and experience do.
In selecting Joe Biden as his running mate, Obama has admitted that he is inexperienced�even exemplified the point�and proclaimed that he recognizes the need to have someone by his side, like Biden, who can fill that gap.
One of Obama�s chief criteria for selecting his running mate was that his choice be ready to lead and to become President should the need arise. Senator Biden certainly foots the bill; his tenure goes back to the days when Nixon was President, and his foreign policy credentials are sure to lend some much-needed �wisdom� to an Obama presidency. Yet a vice-president ready to take over and a presidential candidate who�s prepared are two dramatically different things. We�re not voting for Joe Biden to be Commander-in-Chief; we�re electing Barack Obama.
At the Saddleback forum a few weeks back, John McCain showed himself to be presidential: a strong, firm, decisive leader. Barack Obama, on the other hand, came off as thoughtful, yet highly vacillating. Whereas McCain affirmed his resolute desire to �defeat evil,� Obama offered his intention to �confront� it with �humility.� Whereas McCain firmly stated his belief that human rights should be granted at the moment of conception, Obama dodged artfully, asserting that it was �above his padygrade.�
The Russian invasion of Georgia was particularly revealing of Obama�s naivet�. The Democratic nominee initially called for �restraint by both sides� before finally calling it for what it was: an unprovoked attack on sovereign soil by a nation intent on restoring its domination over Eastern Europe and its place as a world superpower. John McCain, on the other hand, has long charged that Putin is a power-hungry man leading a country bent on reasserting its authority in the world through whatever means necessary.
Like McCain, Biden has long recognized Russia for what it is. But in an Obama administration, Biden�s not the one answering the 3 A.M. phone call�Obama is. As Biden himself said of Obama, the presidential post �does not lend itself to on the job training.� The most Obama can say about foreign policy experience is that he has lived in Indonesia, visited Iraq twice and Afghanistan once and toured Europe. Then again, he did hold a rock concert and campaign rally with 200,000 fans in Germany, shoring up his world citizenship credentials.
Nevertheless, this week the Democratic convention features the likes of the Clintons, Biden, Pelosi and Carter. How does Barack Obama�s experience measure up to theirs?
That question might just be above his paygrade. |
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| squiggy wrote: | From the point of view as a curious((and greatfully uninvolved))And now excessively amused onlooker, I have to say that this is perhaps a curious choice.But much more intelligent than Mr. McCain's. I thought that at first... she was a good idea. But she's kind of... uhm... vacant.
As RM said, it undercuts his claim for 'change'Although alot of the highlight is being taken off his mistakes, after the mockery the media((and her, herself)) has made of the poor woman., and in addition, it adds variables into an already complex election equationWhich was just again balanced, and this time, tipped in Obama's favor.. As pointed out by several new sources, Biden is a bit of a controversy-magnetBut at least he has enough intelligence to read his cue cards..., and I'm not sure that Obama, who is attempting to keep the image of a 'united party' should have picked himAlthough, I think, it's clear that it's a much better choice than McCain's.. Although I think I can agree with Arellia, that despite my previous opinions, it is a good thing it isn't HillaryShe switched parties! Oh wait... no. that's just what McCain wants us to believe!. She would do well. She strikes me as the type of person who requires either all the power, or would rather have none, if she had to answer to someone. Especially a male.
McCain, on the other hand, still hasn't even bothered to announce his running mateHe Did. Finally. He should have waited a while longer, I think.. And I think it was a good choice on his part, as he was likely analyzing his opponents, and trying to see exactly who would work best to attack which team. Oops. Epic Fail. You lose the game, McCain!
Most importantly, however, I think, will be McCain's choice nowWhich he kinda f-ed up on.. If he picks someone who has a good speech-writerHahaha.., and a loud throwing voiceCheck., he has a much worse chance, as McCain already has an eloquent Speech-writing teamHe should share...((or he can think things up on the go pretty damn good)), and his throwing voice booms enough. I think McCain would be much better off if he picked a running-mate who was soft-spokenNo, and intellectually mindedNo again, perhaps a University professor, or something of the likeHahahahaha... NO. -1/3... Epic fail., as it would help counter his opinions, and rather loud voiceNow, it seems like he has an unintelligent Ambulance Chaser on his side. And apparently his opinions aren't being countered, just stupified.. In addition, if McCain grabs someone who can yell as loud, or louder than he himself can, then people will simply stop paying attention to him, as he will fail to stay as the primary point of attentionCheck! Looks like people will get a little comedy after all. People should still vote for Colbert....
Obama's choice, however does have one key advantage to it: It was not something that anyone expected him to choose, likely including McCain, and thus, not someone McCain has a contingency plan designed to run againstIf this is McCain's contingency plan... zomgwtf... I don't think Obama has much to worry aboot.. This could go either way, though, if McCain decides to wing itCheck, and ALSO bring a thought-of-outside-the-box running mateCheck. Fail.. |
Upon further analysis... I do believe that McCain has a GREAT deal of things to repair, and a lot of lost ground to catch up on. All he has managed to establish, in my view, as well as quite a few of my american friends, is that he can't be original enough to find a decent running mate, and so he picked an ambulance chaser, who is preying on young, 'vacant' women, who just want to see a woman in the white house, instead of people who actually support their' beliefs. A rather fatal mistake, on McCain's part, I think.
Somewhere, out there, Obama, and Biden, are *beep* themselves laughing, watching Jon Stewart.
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