Did you think Janeway was a good captain?

Kathryn_Janeway218 · **Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:53 pm Did you think Janeway was a good captain?**

Was Janeway a good captain? Was she a bad captain? Or do feel indiferent about her being good or bad. Please give your reasons for choosing your answer.

Syzygy · **Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:02 am**

I liked Janeway, but I sometimes wished the scripts had her as more consistent.

Ultimately, I concluded that how she saw herself as Captain, and what kind of Captain she actually was were not in sync.

I think she liked to think of herself as a by-the-book Captain, much like her mentor Admiral Paris. But in reality, she was more of a female swashbuckler, much like the improvisational James T. Kirk.

This isn't so bad. Many of us see ourselves differently than we actually are.

Anyway, she was an extraordinary leader and diplomat, and a daring tactician, both in battle, as an explorer, and interpersonally (taking risks with the Maquis, Kes, Seven, etc).

I would happily serve under Janeway...although I might occasionally wish for someone who took less chances.

Kathryn_Janeway218 · **Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:08 am**

I would have to say that was a really good answer. I thought Janeway was a good captain. She did take too many chances though. That could get annoying.

squiggy · **Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:09 am**

Thomas · **Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:11 am**

[Moved from GSTD to VOY]

bigcobra · Junior Cadet Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 19

out of all the captains, she irritated me the most. she was such a hypocrite. how many times did she violate the prime directive? she got them stranded in the Delta Quadrant to begin with. and she had the nerve to imprison Tom Paris for a month. Plus Kate Mulgrew uses her hands too much while acting.

squiggy · **Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:57 pm**

Founder · **Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:47 pm**

Valathous · **Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:44 pm**

I voted no. As was mentioned before, she was very hypocritical. Preached the PD but broke it all the time. Her moral compass was apparently close to a high powered magnet, on top of that. Whatever suited her desires is what she went after. Rousseau wouldn't have liked her!

Not to mention her alliance with the Borg would ultimately lead to the continued assimilation of countless species, etc.

Despite the fact that she listened to Chakotay, she never listened to his suggestions. The man only captained a small ship that managed to stay alive against both the Federation and the Cardassians, but he doesn't know anything...

And she looked/sounded like a man. Cher's sister? Perhaps...

La Forge · **Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:24 pm**

The worst captain seen on Trek, by far. Worse than that one guy who did that one bad thing. Y'know, that guy? Yeah, him.

Firstly, as the two above me pointed out, Janeway was a hypocrite... a major one. At the start of the show, she saw it as so important to save the Ocampans... over saving her own crew? What the heck? Alright, so, she screws her entire crew to save a bunch of short-lived pixies, whatever. She did the 'noble' thing (in her eyes anyways). But, then, at the end of the series, future self is willing to scribble all over the Prime Directive with a rainbow-colored crayon to get her crew home faster? And, why exactly did she chose to bring her crew home after seven years? Why not bring them home after the first year? Or, how 'bout not let them get lost at all? Crazy future Janeway.

And, then there was the fact that she wasn't a true captain. She hardly ever listened to her sensible first officer, Chakotay. And, not to mention, in Year of Hell, when the Doctor cited Starfleet law, stating that he was, as the CMO, allowed to remove her from duty because she was, well, unfit for duty... she flat-out ignored the man. Some captain...

And, lastly, the worst offense... she sounded like a robot.

Lord Borg · **Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:49 pm**

Kathryn_Janeway218 · **Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:33 pm**

You have to give her some credit, she did get her ship home after seven years trapped with the same people. She also beat the Borg on many occasions. I do believe because of this that she was the best captain starfleet had to offer. Plus she got to know each and every one of the crew. Picard and sisco never did that.

Valathous · **Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:40 pm**

She had no choice but to know most of the crew, they were the only people from the Federation there (with the exception of a few random events). The writers definitely overdid the Borg in VOY. No way an Intrepid Class ship should have been able to handle the Borg so often, and I don't care who the captain is. It's a scouting vessel. Writers screwed the pooch there.

Also, there's a reason why:

A) Picard is the Captain of the Federation Flagship.
B) Why Sisko was, for all intents and purposes, the go to guy in the Dominion War.

Why? Because they were far superior captains in both diplomatic and tactical scenarios.

Kathryn_Janeway218 · **Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:06 pm**

Yes, but did they have to deal with everything that Janeway did? No. They didn't have to deal with the kazon or the krenim, but they did have their own uniqe chalenges.

Valathous · **Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:25 pm**

LOL, Kazon vs. the Ent-E or Defiant would be no match, especially given the tactical knowledge of Picard and Sisko. The Krenim are tricky, but in the end Janeway died. She just managed to hit the reset button in the process.

On the flip side, Janeway escaped from having to deal with the Dominion. I can just see it now... "There's coffee in the nebula!"

...*Dominion*

Owned.

Syzygy · **Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:51 am**

Valathous · **Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:47 am**

Yes, but Admiral Ross put him in charge of the fleets in season 6. Back in season 4 he went to Earth to be in charge of Starfleet Security for a while to combat the Dominion threat on Earth.

He may have started out just being assigned to a backwater station, but his leadership and tactical abilities kept him there in the thick of things and made him the face of the Federation in the Dominion War. If he was horrible, they wouldn't have left him there, they'd have put in someone more capable.

Kathryn_Janeway218 · **Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:03 pm**

But they must have thought that Janeway was very capable to put a brand new captain in charge of a brand new high tech ship. I am not saying that Sisco and Picard were bad captains, I just think Janeway was better. Picard was too old school, and Sisco was over dramatic.

luit14 · **Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:10 pm**

Yes, I think she was a good captain overall. But she is definitely the worst captain at dealing with security situations. There are so many times that she let a problem get out of control when she could have easily stopped it. One example that comes to my mind is from "Hope and Fear" when she sends a security team to get the guy when she could have just beamed him aboard Voyager to the brig.... and on and on.

lifeguide · **Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:41 pm**

I have stated in the past on other threads that she was most certainly a hypocrite and therefore I would not have liked to be serving under a captain like that.

However a captain of starship has one overall primary goal, whther they are in the gamma, delta, beta or alpha quadrant, and that is they must ensure the saffety and security of their crew at all times.

As willing to turn her back on the PD as she was, she did get most of her crew home, she set up a foothold in the delta quadrant for the federation (Ambassador Neelix), and due to the long range communication and propulsion experiences there was a huge leap forward in technology which will be of great benefit to the federation in the future.

Okay so some battles may of resulted in "forced outcomes" but she did get her crew home and did in 7 years what only the Equinox had done previously, explore unexplored section of the galaxy.

The question here should of been seperated, What made Janeway a bad captain?

And what made her a good captain?

Both words could be used to describe her.

Founder · **Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:17 pm**

Debra · Sweetest Angel Joined: 26 May 2007 Posts: 444

She is a good captain, but she had her bad points... all captains do....

squiggy · **Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:49 pm**

Andi McDougal · **Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:35 pm**

Kolbie213 · Crewman Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 3 Location: WV

Captine Janeway was probably the BEST captine ever.Sorry all ya people who don't like her but that's ur opinion. I think she is totally cool

PS: She ain't a hipocrit!!