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WeAz
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Puck
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And for the past years Americans have thought we were in a recession and economic decline when our economy has really been expanding. Thank you media!
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| Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:03 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | And for the past years Americans have thought we were in a recession and economic decline when our economy has really been expanding. Thank you media! |
Absolutely brilliant. The point is, at least from my perspective, that the American people have little more than their own perceptions which are advanced by the media and adapted to form American opinion. Yes, while we've been in an economic expansion Americans have thought we're in a recession. When we were in Vietnam the American public thought we were losing the war when we were, in fact, doing no such thing. And at the present the same sentiment is prominent amongst the American people, and it's advanced by the falsities and deceits portrayed in the media. The left-wing media isn't showing the whole story of Iraq and are choosing to instead give a jaded image of the war, hence the overwhelmingly negative poll numbers.
I don't see what the point is in making big news out of these polls. Why? Because you can't determine whether or not we should continue to be in a country based on the polls; that's horrible military strategy. If Lincoln did that during the Civil War and we had polling like today, the North would have either surrendered or worked to declare a truce and allow the South to remain separate, the war was so unpopular. The point being, you can only look at the polls and see where the American people stand so much before it only hurts our troops and the effort.
Finally, I, for one, have more faith in the military than this poll (no doubt biased) shows the American people to have.
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WeAz
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| Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:47 pm |
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I do agree that polls should be taken with a grain of salt, but they should be given some merit.
And the media didn't make it seem like we were losing in Vietnam, they just horrified everyone with all the carnage they showed. The military no longer gives them unlimited access.
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| Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:50 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | I do agree that polls should be taken with a grain of salt, but they should be given some merit.
And the media didn't make it seem like we were losing in Vietnam, they just horrified everyone with all the carnage they showed. The military no longer gives them unlimited access. |
Merit as far as public opinion is concerned, yes, but little more than that.
Oh, you're right in those points, but the media, particularly Walter Cronkite (whose work I am not demeaning), really portrayed the war as a failure. The media was key during that time (though, again, you are right at how shocking it was for the public to, for the first time, see these types of things for themselves). But the point I was making with regards to Vietnam was only slightly about the media; it's mostly about the political will and how it had become diminished by the end of the war - that the public perception was off-base, and while we weren't losing the war on the battlefield, we were losing the war at home, hence our pullout and defeat.
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WeAz
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I disagree. We weren't losing the war on the ground, but we weren't winning it. It became a stalemate.
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| WeAz wrote: | | I disagree. We weren't losing the war on the ground, but we weren't winning it. It became a stalemate. |
I didn't say we were winning it, but though I do generally agree with you that it was a stalemate, we were more on the winning side of it and, given more time, I think we would have come out victorious.
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