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WeAz
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 Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:14 pm American imams sue US Air for removing them from flight |
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| Quote: | WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Six Islamic religious leaders have filed suit against US Airways for having them removed from a domestic flight last November.
Police escorted the imams, all residents of the United States, off a plane in Minneapolis, Minnesota, after passengers and airline staff said the men were acting suspiciously. |
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/13/imam.suit/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
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Mulder
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:20 pm |
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shame on the airways, this is discrimination!
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:30 pm |
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| Mulder wrote: | | shame on the airways, this is discrimination! |
If you look at the facts of what actually happen, it was far from discrimination. The plane did exactly as it should have.
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WeAz
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:08 pm |
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All the imams did was pray before they got on the flight. Nothing more.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:08 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | All the imams did was pray before they got on the flight. Nothing more. |
Read up on the facts. There was more than that - and it was on the flight that much of the stuff happened. The seat belt extensions, for instance.
Take a look at this thorough article on the story.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:22 pm |
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Now there's an unbiased news source if I ever saw one.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:26 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Now there's an unbiased news source if I ever saw one. |
Oh, yes, I know it's a conservative news source. That's undeniable, but I wasn't deferring to that article for political purposes but for the facts which are contained in that article - facts which are nonetheless true.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:30 pm |
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Well, whether or not they're true, we all know that depending on how information is presented and in what context, you can completely change people's impressions. "Anti-American statements" for instance. What exactly did they say? On the front page of that website, there's something about the "Anti-American left in Hawaii." So who really knows. And we're taking this woman's word in the article for how Muslims apparently should pray? Honestly.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:36 pm |
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The "anti-American" statements and such were things reported elsewhere, too. There was more to it than just praying, and the plane authorities were right to be concerned and remove them from it.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:43 pm |
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Does it actually say anywhere what was said? So far what I'm getting is praying, seatbelt extendors, and anti-American statements. The anti-American statements are fuzzy, since nobody seems to know what was said, the praying part is just semi-rediculous, and seatbelt extendors? They really don't even have to wear their seatbelts for more than 5 minutes during takeoff, and even if it was at that time they were planning to attack they could have taken them off since the hostesses only come around once to check if you have them on if the first place. The ties between Kind Hearts and Bin Laden doesn't really apply, since nobody at the time would have even associated those men with that group and as stated, they assisted him in the early 90s when the CIA was doing the same thing.
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magenta
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:57 pm |
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If I was on a plane with my kids and these guys were sprouting anti-american stuff.Then loudly/disruptively started praying on the plane!
I would want them to get off too!I would be worried about my kids/myself!
They were apparently well educated men,acting like un-educated idiots! 
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WeAz
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:37 pm |
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They weren't chanting "Death to America", and they sure as hell weren't being disruptive while praying. This was a case of islamo-phobia, and the airline should apologize.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:44 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | They weren't chanting "Death to America", and they sure as hell weren't being disruptive while praying. This was a case of islamo-phobia, and the airline should apologize. |
Weren't being disruptive? Those on the plane and the plane authorities would disagree with you on that 
And "death to America" isn't the only anti-American phrase Islamofascists have used, you know
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PrankishSmart
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| Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:21 am |
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I would say the airline had gone ultra paranoid. Cockpit doors are locked and undercover air marshalls are on board these days.
Instead of taking them off the plane, they could have just asked what they were doing? Act logical, not irrational, I say.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:18 pm |
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| Quote: | | Act logical, not irrational, I say. |
And I'd say they did. Furthermore, I'd say they acted rationally.
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| Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:38 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | That's undeniable, but I wasn't deferring to that article for political purposes but for the facts which are contained in that article - facts which are nonetheless true. |
Regardless of the "facts" in the article, the article is undeniably an opinion piece that takes a firm stance on the issue.
The CNN article, on the other hand, really does contain just facts--it carefully refrains from drawing any conclusions or stating whether the airline's actions were correct. Because it doesn't attempt to influence the reader one way or the other, the article is a more reliable source of information that allows one to make an informed but unbiased decision. 
In my opinion, the airlines overreacted. While these men were being disruptive, I doubt they had any sinister goal. Perhaps the airline should just have asked them to settle down first. And since when has saying "anti-American" things become grounds for being removed from a flight?
Even if the airlines were justified in removing the imams from the flight, I am rather shocked at the treatment that they received. Handcuffed? Please, isn't that a little too much? What are they going to do, kill everyone with their awesome ninja skills and then escape into the night? Please--one of them was blind. Just because people are being held under suspicion of terrorism is no reason to treat them with undeserved rudeness. That is just asking for a lawsuit.
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WeAz
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| Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:34 pm |
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I'm surprised one hasn't been filed already.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:39 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | I'm surprised one hasn't been filed already. |
Didn't you post the article here?   (hint hint)
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PrankishSmart
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| Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:35 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Quote: | | Act logical, not irrational, I say. |
And I'd say they did. Furthermore, I'd say they acted rationally. |
I hate it how you pick out small sentences from posts and leave the remaining mass 
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Oddbeani57
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| Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:20 pm |
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[Quote=RM]
If you look at the facts of what actually happen, it was far from discrimination. The plane did exactly as it should have.[/Quote]
And I assume profiling is a good thing now? Way to show acceptance!
This story is replayed a lot, for different airlines, and I find it disgusting. If people are so terrified of terrorists, then don't fly.
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