the borg- an enlightened viewpoint?

[StarfleetCommand74656]

OK, so its not very nice to enslave the entire galaxy. But the Collective would seem to stop any problems like war, etc... and unify all the races in the galaxy. I know it sounds crazy, but I'm sure some peiople wouldnt mind being asimilated!!! Any thoughts?

[lionhead]

Once the borg have enslaved the entire Galaxy they would just jump on to the next and start wars with civilizations there, so Wars won't stop for the collective.

You might compare the Borg collective expansion as the Axis power Expansion across Europe in World War 2. If the nazi's would have conquered europe and won, then it wouldn't have been long before they attacked the rest of the world. Also, 1 country that spans the globe might sound simple as no Countries will ever clash against eahcother but when that 1 country is a Fascist Dictatorship(or in the case of the Borg a Collective Monarchy) i don't tihnk it wil really unify the people.

[Founder]

It is kind of hard to call the Borg black and white evil. They don't do what they do because they think it's funny to be mean. They don't care about hurting people actually. Notice how they ignore people that beam onto their ships. They seek perfection. Obviously, the Borg are almost a pseudo cult that wants to reach "nirvana" in a sense.

What DOES make them evil is they FORCE people into the Collective just to make them a little bit closer to perfection. They "unify" people by destroying their cultures and way of life and forcing them to "service (the Borg)".

The Borg don't stop wars either...they create them...

[JupiterPrime]

the dont wage war - war is irelevant, they simply have to fight to defend themselves because the civilizations they assikmilate dont really care for it and there fore they fight. Borg arent fighting for fightings sake, they are doing so purely in self-defense - if your dont shoot borg, they dont shoot you. they are just powerful enough not to care whether people want to be assimilated or not - its their lot in life, its hat they do, its what they need to do in order to survive - and every sentient being in the universe from the Ameoba to the Borg do it.....even us.

[lionhead]

No no, JupiterPrime. The borg wage war, they conquer planets and fight off any defense by the Species they attack, they both start the war and end it.

They even want to be attacked to be able to adapt to Weapons.

The don't attack you if you aren't assimilate worthy, which means you can't hope to gain anything from an attack. However, if you attack they don't defend to protect themselves, no, they counter attack to acquire the technology that was used to attack them. If you have the ability to harm the borg, they want know how so they can adapt to it and improve on it..

The borg don't defend, they only counter-attack.

[Voyager2004]

[lionhead]

When you are attacked and are taking a beating that doesn't count as defending, or did you see a large amount of Borg cubes between those Species 8472 ships and that planet they destroyed?

To defend is to Protect yourselves or others from an attacker, the borg don't protet planets and Drones, they only try too learn from those attacks to adapt to it. They would attack the Ships of Species 8472 not to stop them from attacking their own ships and planets but to adapt and assimilate them.

When voyager attacked the Borg probe ship in "Dark Frontier" the borg reacted by trying to adapt, not to prevent the destruction of the probe ship, 1 probe ship is irrelevant.

If the borg would defend their ships and drones the probe ship would have turned around and ran instead of taking the beating and be destroyed.

They counterattack by letting the probe ship get hit by Voyagers weapons so they can adapt to it and next time they will be able to withstand the attack. Thats the Borgs counter-attack.

The only 2 things i might imagine the borg defend from attack is 1 the Queen, but the queen is immortal so defending her is not a primary objective and 2 when it gets in the way of finding perfection like when the Cube was engaged by the federation at wolf 359 where it destroyed many ships, not to defend the cube from destruction(since the attacks didn't do a bloody thing) but to not be delayed any further into reaching their goal(because thats all that it was to the Cube, a delay into reaching earth and thus their next step into reaching perfection).

[Voyager2004]

[lionhead]

No, your outlook on the borg's tactics is somewhat flawed.

[Voyager2004]

Uh...And just what brings you to that wrong conclusion? I think I understand them quite well...

[Lord Borg]

How about we keep things civil, eh?

Everyone is right in some aspects. Prefection is the borgs drive, whom or what gets hurt or taken matters not.

[Solitary Poet]

From the time I was nine until I was about sixteen I desperately wished the Borg where real, I wanted to be assimilated and lose myself in the collective because it seemed like a viable alternative to the uncertainties of life. I would have gladly turned myself over if the Borg where real and had attacked Earth. I happen to know that there were plenty of other kids at my school who shared my sentiments, it�s very sad but it�s true and I�m surprised it wasn't dealt with in an episode of �Voyager�.

[Voyager2004]

Actually, that would have been a pretty good episode if it had been dealt with...That's interesting...

[djlazerx]

Losing freedom at any price is not worth it even if your not aware of it. Thats why every species resists them.

[Founder]

Yeah, I still think it's hard to claim the Borg have an "enlightened" view.

They don't really unify anyone. You can make the argument with any race that conquers another race and absorbs the "losers" into the "winners".

Also, the Borg have gone to war with Species 8472, The Federation, and others. Wars would not end with them...

[lionhead]

I still stand with what i said in this topic.

I agree with you founder.

[lifeguide]

I seem to remember the Borg being at war with species 8472 and losing quite badly.