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IntrepidIsMe
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 Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:14 pm U.S. report says Iraq war has fueled terror threat |
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| CNN wrote: | BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A classified intelligence report concludes that the Iraq war has worsened the terrorist threat to the United States, U.S. officials told CNN Sunday.
Some intelligence officials have said as much in the past, but the newly revealed document is the first formal report on global trends in terrorism by the National Intelligence Estimate, which is put out by the National Intelligence Council. |
Source (CNN): http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/24/iraq.main/index.html
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:20 pm |
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The information coming out of this report is vague, however, and therefore not trustworthy. Is the threat worse around the world, or is it worse directly to the United States? Is the proliferation of terrorism directly related to Iraq, or is it just a trend that happens to coordinate with Iraq, like the dramatic increase in terrorists that occurred in the 1990s, when there was no Iraq war?
As far as the information about this report is confirmed, it's too vague to take for face value.
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WeAz
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:31 pm |
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Of course it has worsened! We just invaded an Islamic nation, and now they hate us even more...
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:34 pm |
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That's an awefully narrow-minded way to think of it. We invaded Afghanistan, a far more radical Islamic nation than Iraq, and yet there's no talk of a correlation with that. That assertion is really innaccurate, I would have to say.
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WeAz
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:35 pm |
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Thats because we dismantled a terror nest in Afghanistan. Nothing of the sort in Iraq.
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:37 pm |
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Just more reason we need to finish up and pull out.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:41 pm |
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First of all, we're disabling the terror net in Iraq. The terror net in Afghanistan isn't entirely disrupted either, as the increase in conflict there has shown.
But regardless, that argument doesn't make sense here when you argued your previous argument because it doesn't make a difference whether or not the terror net is disabled in Iraq. You asserted that the terrorist threat has worsened because we invaded an Islamic nation. It is irrelivant whether or not Afghanistan has been more successful because it should still have done the same thing--enflame the Islamic world. It just doesnt' fly, if you think about it.
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WeAz
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:43 pm |
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Afghanistan was directly after 9/11. Everyone supported us. Even Iran and Venezuela. But now...that has quieted down.
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:47 pm |
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"everyone supported us" So? Someone should google the speech in which Bush talks about how long this will take, and how we won't win any popularity contests.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:48 pm |
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It's called time and the proliferation of hatred. Plus, I don't recall them supporting it, and if they did, they no doubt did it for political reasons, really wanting the Taliban to remain in power, as Iran's great support of Islamic terrorism--yes, including Al Qaeda--proves.
I can't really debate more now. Too much homework and RPG posting.
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| Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:47 am |
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The increased threat is to the United States, as well as other participant countries such as United Kingdom and Australia and I have heard that our country has become a terror target purely because of our involvement in the invasion of Iraq. So on that basis I would support that article. It's not vague at all it makes perfect sense.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:56 pm |
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The article does not give enough details into the report to draw accurate conclusions. Not to mention it ignores the fact that countries like the UK and Australia would be on the terrorists' list not merely because they're in Iraq, but because they're US allies and Western states. I mean, look at Canada. They're not fighting in Iraq, but there was a foiled threat against them there. The article does not discuss analysis as to whether or not this truly is a correlation with Iraq or is an inevitable process overall. I'm inclined to believe the latter because we weren't in Iraq before 9/11 and yet the threat massed against us up to the day it happened.
It just continued to do so, and sure, more people were probably inclined to flock towards the terrorists because they saw another Muslim nation attacked and got propaganda injected into them as a result, but does that mean that Iraq itself has made the terror threat worse? No, it doesn't. The media is not acknowledging any discussion on this whatsoever, which would most definitely have occurred in the report--analysis as to whether or not this rise is, in fact, directly linked to the war. As the White House claimed, the NY Times article on the document "is not representative of the complete document," and therefore the rest of the media is giving a jaded analysis as well, though I'm sure they would do that anyways.
Logic suggests otherwise, and I'd suggest to you that logic is right.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:26 pm |
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Hmmm. Take a looksey.
| Quote: | Senate Intelligence Panelists Want Terror Report Declassified
WASHINGTON � National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said Monday the jihad in Iraq is shaping a new generation of terrorist operatives, but rejected assertions, stemming from a leaked intelligence estimate, that the United States is at a greater risk of attack than it was in 2001.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215664,00.html |
As I've been saying, there's a lot more to this report than meets the eye, and the news reports aren't giving us enough of a picture to draw an accurate conclusion.
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