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| Quote: | CRAWFORD, United States (AFP) - The mother of a US soldier killed in Iraq warned she would camp outside the White House next month if US President George W. Bush refuses to meet with her here at his ranch.
"I don't understand why he cannot spend ten minutes of his time to talk to somebody whose life he has devastated," said Cindy Sheehan, 48, who has been camped out about a kilometer from the gates of Bush's ranch since Saturday.
Sheehan, whose son, Casey, was killed in April 2004 five days after arriving in Iraq , wants to meet with Bush face-to-face to deliver her anti-war message.
"I want Bush to stop using my son's sacrifice to justify the killing," she told reporters, insisting that "he needs to bring the troops home now."
After meeting at his ranch with his top foreign policy advisers, Bush said: "It's very important for our citizens, no matter what side of the political aisle you're on, to understand that the mission is a vital mission."
"Listen, I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan. She feels strongly about her position. And she has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America. She has a right to her position," he said.
"I thought long and hard about her position. I've heard her position from others, which is: Get out of Iraq now. And it would be a mistake for the security of this country and the ability to lay the foundations for peace in the long run if we were to do so," he said.
"I met with a lot of families" who lost relatives in Iraq said Bush. "And I have done my best to bring comfort to the families and honor to the loved one. You get different opinions when you meet with moms and dads and sons and daughters and the wives and husbands of those who have fallen."
"One opinion I've come away with universally is that, you know, we should do everything we can to honor the fallen. And one way to honor the fallen is to lay the foundation for peace," said Bush.
Nearly 140,000 US troops are in Iraq, where more than 1,830 have been killed since Bush ordered the March 2003 invasion to oust Saddam Hussein on grounds he possessed weapons of mass destruction that were never found.
"I don't think aggression on a country that was no threat to the United States is noble," said Sheehan, who met with Bush previously in June 2004 along with other families who lost relatives in Iraq.
Afterwards, Sheehan told her local newspaper that she said that she and her family "haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled" or with Bush's changing justifications for the invasion, but had opted to stifle such criticisms in the meeting.
"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy told the Vacaville Reporter newspaper after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."
While the White House has invoked that meeting to deny her another audience with Bush, Sheehan now says the president "disrespectful (and) inappropriate" and referred to her as "Mom." |
source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050811/ts_alt_afp/usiraqbushmother_050811205805
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| Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:50 pm |
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She is being abused by the far left. Simple as that. They corrupted her, and have changed her mind, and now the left is abusing her for their side.
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| Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:52 pm |
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It is sad that her son died, but her son was not forced to go. He joined the military. I know that may sound heartless and I am sad that he died, but he didn't die in vain.
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| Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:53 pm |
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This has been big news lately, for some reason.
I think shes just looking for someone to blame for her son's death.
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| Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:55 pm |
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Thats true. We do have to understand that she is running on pure emotion right now....
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I feel bad that this woman is having such a hard time losing her son. I also feel kind of sorry for the son though, since his death is being turned into this public news story. If she really wants to meet with Bush that bad, if it will at least give her some kind of closure that she apparently needs, then I hope she gets the chance to.
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| Puck wrote: | | I feel bad that this woman is having such a hard time losing her son. I also feel kind of sorry for the son though, since his death is being turned into this public news story. If she really wants to meet with Bush that bad, if it will at least give her some kind of closure that she apparently needs, then I hope she gets the chance to. |
Do you remember what things Bush did to/with her before? Oh, they were nice things. Now she is just a pawn for the left to be used to attack the President brutally. Her talking to the President won't help, and it could make things worse.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | I feel bad that this woman is having such a hard time losing her son. I also feel kind of sorry for the son though, since his death is being turned into this public news story. If she really wants to meet with Bush that bad, if it will at least give her some kind of closure that she apparently needs, then I hope she gets the chance to. |
Do you remember what things Bush did to/with her before? Oh, they were nice things. Now she is just a pawn for the left to be used to attack the President brutally. Her talking to the President won't help, and it could make things worse. |
I realize that, I am just hoping maybe this time if he meets with her personally, she would be able to get some closure at least and stop greiving so much. I would do it if I were Bush.
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| Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:06 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | I feel bad that this woman is having such a hard time losing her son. I also feel kind of sorry for the son though, since his death is being turned into this public news story. If she really wants to meet with Bush that bad, if it will at least give her some kind of closure that she apparently needs, then I hope she gets the chance to. |
Do you remember what things Bush did to/with her before? Oh, they were nice things. Now she is just a pawn for the left to be used to attack the President brutally. Her talking to the President won't help, and it could make things worse. |
I realize that, I am just hoping maybe this time if he meets with her personally, she would be able to get some closure at least and stop greiving so much. I would do it if I were Bush. |
Well, sure. Except consider the exploitation of her. The left is greatly exploiting her, and think of what they would do afterwards 
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Read an article in USA Today, or the Boston Globe, or Herald, can't remember which. I def feel bad for her, but she is letting herself be exploited, and dishonoring her son and every other parent of and soldier who has died thus far. If her son's death is meaningless, what are all the ones prior?
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| Theresa wrote: | | Read an article in USA Today, or the Boston Globe, or Herald, can't remember which. I def feel bad for her, but she is letting herself be exploited, and dishonoring her son and every other parent of and soldier who has died thus far. If her son's death is meaningless, what are all the ones prior? |
Agreed. Fully. And well said.
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I understand how she feels, and I think that it's wrong to call her corrupted because she's protesting the conflict that killed her son. As for the media's incessant coverage of personal anguish, I don't like it but what else is new? It is wrong to say she is dishonoring the soldiers to protest the war. She is just as much noble for trying to prevent more deaths. As one torn on the issue of the continuing conflict itself, I can understand both sides. Seriously though, it isn't fair to blame her for the fact that the media has decided to make a big deal out of it.
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I wish she would spend some time talking with soldiers serving over there right now, and with some who have been wounded. I cannot express how proud I am of troops I have seen on TV who are missing arms or legs, and say that their biggest regret is not being able to go back and keep fighting with their unit.
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Because she disagrees she's automatically a tool for the left is she? What happened to people being entitled to their own opinions that are against that of the government? Or should we all accept the norm? I disagree in some ways with what she's doing, but I respect that she has the guts to be able to stand up and question this war, rather than accepting all that the government says as total truth. And she wants to talk to Bush, to find out what he has to say. I believe she has every right. He was the reason her son went off (in some ways), so she should have the right to ask him why.
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Because she disagrees she's automatically a tool for the left is she? What happened to people being entitled to their own opinions that are against that of the government? Or should we all accept the norm? I disagree in some ways with what she's doing, but I respect that she has the guts to be able to stand up and question this war, rather than accepting all that the government says as total truth. And she wants to talk to Bush, to find out what he has to say. I believe she has every right. He was the reason her son went off (in some ways), so she should have the right to ask him why. |
No, no, no, you don't understand.
First, she lost her son and we are all very simpathetic of her.
Second, she DID actually meet with the President after her son died, and she got good words from him and was happy with what she heard.
She IS being exploited by the left, as she's allying herself with several VERY extreme groups. Read this commentary by Independent Bill O'Reilly and then an interview with New York Sun editor Ira Stoll by John Gibson, who filled in for O'Reilly last night. They give you FACTS that PROVE this.
| Commentary wrote: | The Saga of Cindy Sheehan Deepens
Thursday, August 11, 2005
By Bill O'Reilly
The saga of Cindy Sheehan (search) deepens: that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."
As you may know, Ms. Sheehan told us she would appear on �The Factor� this evening, but she backed out a few hours ago, saying I lied about her. Since our reportage about Ms. Sheehan has been supported by multiple facts, we asked the people who are running her exactly what those facts were. We're still awaiting an answer.
There's no question that far left ideologues are controlling access to Cindy Sheehan, who you may remember is camped outside of the president's house in Crawford, Texas, wanting to meet with him.
Sheehan is also using Michael Moore's Web site to get her anti-Bush message out. Well, now we continue to support her right to say whatever she wants to say. After all, she did lose a son in Iraq. But certainly it is our responsibility to tell you exactly who Cindy Sheehan's associating with.
But other media don't see it that way. In her column today, New York Times pundit Maureen Dowd glorified Mrs. Sheehan, but made no mention of Mr. Moore or other radicals involved with her.
The Baltimore Sun also praised Ms. Sheehan and chastised President Bush. "A small first step � but only a first step � would be to sit down with Mrs. Sheehan and listen to her, really listen...Take time to talk with her. Have the courtesy."
Well, there's one problem with that editorial. President Bush has already met with Cindy Sheehan and her husband, Pat. He took the time, he had the courtesy. But somehow The Baltimore Sun editorial neglected to mention that fact. Can you believe it? Sure you can. The Sun is an anti-Bush paper.
And Cindy Sheehan is now an anti-Bush woman. So why would he meet with her again? If you were Mr. Bush, would you sit down with someone blogging on the Michael Moore Web site? Come on.
Once again, "Talking Points" respects Cindy Sheehan's right to dissent from the Iraq War and not like Mr. Bush. But let's tell the entire story here.
The whole thing's ironic, since just last week, �The Factor� told you that things in Iraq are not going well. Our military analysts, Colonels Hunt and Cowan talked to commanders in the field and reported back that security is still dicey and corruption is growing.
Most accepted the information we put forth, but some objected to it, saying any negative reporting on Iraq undermines the effort there. I disagree with that.
In order to win the war, we need to know the truth about it. This is a performance issue, not an ideological one.
Both liberal and conservative Americans need to stop putting ideology above the truth. To cut and run in Iraq would be a disaster for the USA. It'd be a tremendous victory for the terrorists.
To accept chaos and corruption in Iraq would also mean failure. Once again, Americans need to come together and demand we win this conflict for the good of all of us.
And that's "The Memo." |
| Interview wrote: | The Cindy Sheehan Saga Continues...
Friday, August 12, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," August 11, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Watch "The O'Reilly Factor" weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to the "Radio Factor!"
JOHN GIBSON, GUEST HOST: Hi, everybody. I'm John Gibson reporting tonight for Bill O'Reilly. Thanks for watching us. We'll get right into our top story tonight � 48-year-old Cindy Sheehan's (search) anti-war campaign.
Miss Sheehan lost her son, Casey, an Army specialist in Iraq last year. Now she's camped out in Crawford, Texas, insisting she's not going away until she meets with the president, President Bush, again.
The two already met once shortly after Casey died. Turns out Miss Sheehan is involved with some very far left factions, a story O'Reilly first broke on this program.
And here's more proof. This conference call with liberal activists and bloggers, where Miss Sheehan explained why she canceled her appearance on "The Factor" yesterday.
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CINDY SHEEHAN: I'm not going to go on that show because, you know, I don't like it when people lie about me and attack me for exercising my freedom of speech.
You know, it's one thing for Bill O'Reilly to disagree with my policy for my view on the war, but it's absolutely another thing that he attacks me personally about it.
And I � he actually again asked me to go on the show today. And I said � my first reaction was, all right, I'll go on it if you publicly apologize for lying about me.
But then my second reaction was, no, no. I'm not going on it. I'm not going to dignify his show by my presence because I believe his show is an obscenity � is an obscenity to the truth. And it's an obscenity to humanity.
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GIBSON: Obscenity. Now we want to emphasize that Bill analyzed the situation without ever attacking Miss Sheehan personally.
With us now is Ira Stoll, managing editor of The New York Sun (search). So you wrote today about this. And you've been looking into it. What's going on with Cindy Sheehan?
IRA STOLL, MANAGING EDITOR OF THE NEW YORK SUN: Well, first of all, you have to say it's terrible that she lost her son. She's got to be upset. And everyone has to sympathize with her. Stop.
But at the same time, she's been in a league with these very extreme groups. The group that organized this conference call was called Code Pink (search). And it's part of this steering committee for United for Peace and Justice (search), along with the Communist Party USA. And they organized the big anti-war march during the Republican National Convention here in New York.
And The New York Sun sent reporters out to interview those protesters. 67 percent of the people we interviewed said they agreed that attacks on American troops in Iraq was legitimate.
GIBSON: Is � and, by the way, she seems to be blaming President Bush for the death of her son. Who killed her son?
STOLL: Iraqis killed her son. These same Iraqis that these anti-war protesters say are launching legitimate attacks on U.S. troops.
GIBSON: Who are these groups? Like some of the groups that seem to have taken over Cindy Sheehan � United for Peace and Justice, MoveOn.org (search), we know them, Fenton Communications. This is a PR firm. What do you know about Fenton Communications?
STOLL: Well, they do a lot of work for MoveOn and for other groups that are funded by George Soros (search). Another group that's involved there is Veterans for Peace (search). They're part of this United for Peace and Justice group.
And they all have basically the same message. I mean, they all have the same message. They're all these groups so it makes it seem like there's more people who think this.
GIBSON: Michael Moore's (search) involved, too.
STOLL: Absolutely. Well, Cindy Sheehan has actually been writing posts for Michaelmoore.com. And in "Fahrenheit 9/11," (search) his movie, he also focused on the plight of a woman who had had her son killed in Iraq.
But there are also, you know, there are families who are on the other side of this, too. And you know, President Bush has to meet with them as part of his job.
But as he said today, if he does what they ask, what these extreme anti-war activists ask, and pull out of Iraq immediately, it would be a terrible thing for American security.
GIBSON: President Bush met with her at least once. And do we know if she lectured him in private or made demands of him in private as she is saying now in public she wants to do?
STOLL: Well, the press accounts after that first meeting actually quoted her as saying that, you know, it was a good meeting. It was only a few months afterward that she turned on the president and said he had somehow misbehaved in that meeting.
She was asked on this conference call what she would say if she had a second meeting with the president. And she said why did you launch an aggressive war against a country that was never any threat to America?
GIBSON: So this group of people � of anti-war groups - account - in our research, 2, 4, 6, 8 or 10 of them � these are groups that, what, just mostly attack President Bush or have an actual agenda, actual candidates, people to move forward in opposition to President Bush?
STOLL: Well, you can trace them back even to the Clinton administration. They oppose any American military action, whether it was in Bosnia. Some of these people are the same people who were throwing rocks at Starbucks in Seattle against free trade.
They want socialism. They want � they want no American military anywhere in the world. They basically want us to pull back and be isolationists and hope that no one's going to attack us.
GIBSON: I can't help but notice that Cindy Sheehan is from Vacaville, California, very close to U.C. Davis, very close to U.C. Berkeley, reasonably close to U.C. Santa Cruz, where I believe that a lot of those WTO protesters came from.
What do the university anti-war protesters have to do with her?
STOLL: Well, in some ways, she's a more appealing face for the anti-war movement than some eighth-year PhD student in a nose ring and ponytail. She's a mom. And so that's why all these groups would prefer to have her out there than their real face.
GIBSON: What is going on in Crawford? Is it just one big giant political sideshow designed to embarrass President Bush? Or does she really want to talk to him? And does she really think she's going to get an answer out of him that will satisfy her?
STOLL: Well, I don't know what she wants. It's clear that some of the people around her are out to embarrass the president. You know, I'm sure on some deep level, what she wants is her son back. And the president can't give her that.
GIBSON: Ira Stoll, managing editor of The New York Sun, wrote a big editorial about this today. Ira, thanks a lot. |
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | I understand how she feels, and I think that it's wrong to call her corrupted because she's protesting the conflict that killed her son. As for the media's incessant coverage of personal anguish, I don't like it but what else is new? It is wrong to say she is dishonoring the soldiers to protest the war. She is just as much noble for trying to prevent more deaths. As one torn on the issue of the continuing conflict itself, I can understand both sides. Seriously though, it isn't fair to blame her for the fact that the media has decided to make a big deal out of it. |
Even though last year she met with the President and said she thought he was genuine.
She's letting lefty extremists like Michael Moore and the such controll her.
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | I understand how she feels, and I think that it's wrong to call her corrupted because she's protesting the conflict that killed her son. As for the media's incessant coverage of personal anguish, I don't like it but what else is new? It is wrong to say she is dishonoring the soldiers to protest the war. She is just as much noble for trying to prevent more deaths. As one torn on the issue of the continuing conflict itself, I can understand both sides. Seriously though, it isn't fair to blame her for the fact that the media has decided to make a big deal out of it. |
Even though last year she met with the President and said she thought he was genuine.
She's letting lefty extremists like Michael Moore and the such controll her. |
Exactly. And it wasn't until THEN that she changed her mind.
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People are allowed to change their mind, btw. Although that in my opinion is a bit biased (the sources) I can see some of the points they are making. I don't like it how people are putting pressure on to pull out of Iraq, as it's not the time for it, but there should be the maximum done to keep the soliders safe. Also the information we get should be questioned to make sure it's correct and hasn't been changed.
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| Jeremy wrote: | | People are allowed to change their mind, btw. Although that in my opinion is a bit biased (the sources) I can see some of the points they are making. I don't like it how people are putting pressure on to pull out of Iraq, as it's not the time for it, but there should be the maximum done to keep the soliders safe. Also the information we get should be questioned to make sure it's correct and hasn't been changed. |
This isn't simply changing their mind. This is also exploitation. And there's absolutely no bias there, especially with O'Reilly, who thinks that we're not winning the Iraq War.
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| Zeke Zabertini wrote: | | I understand how she feels, and I think that it's wrong to call her corrupted because she's protesting the conflict that killed her son. As for the media's incessant coverage of personal anguish, I don't like it but what else is new? It is wrong to say she is dishonoring the soldiers to protest the war. She is just as much noble for trying to prevent more deaths. As one torn on the issue of the continuing conflict itself, I can understand both sides. Seriously though, it isn't fair to blame her for the fact that the media has decided to make a big deal out of it. |
I don't think anyone is calling her corrupted because she is protesting the conflict. Shes become corrupted because she is letting he media take advantage of her situation to show how "evil" Bush is. She is dishonoring her son by turning his death into a media circus, NOT because she is protesting the war. Although her son did not die in vain as she claims. Her son was honorable and died for a noble cause. We're not really blaming her because the media took advantage of her, we're just saying that if it was a "personal meeting with Bush" then she shouldn't flaunt it on the news. She could just say "No comment".
I think the media is using her and she is using the media. They get their story, but she gets it publicly noted that she wants to speak with him.
| Jeremy wrote: | | Because she disagrees she's automatically a tool for the left is she? |
No shes a tool, because she is letting them leech off of her PERSONAL situation.
| Jeremy wrote: | | What happened to people being entitled to their own opinions that are against that of the government? Or should we all accept the norm? I disagree in some ways with what she's doing, but I respect that she has the guts to be able to stand up and question this war, rather than accepting all that the government says as total truth. And she wants to talk to Bush, to find out what he has to say. I believe she has every right. He was the reason her son went off (in some ways), so she should have the right to ask him why. |
She is entitled to her own opinion. We don't mind that. We do mind her becoming a media *beep* though. Its not good. Shes losing her original intent. Now she is just giving the Liberals fuel for their already blazing fire. She does have every right to talk to Bush. I agree. Just like he has every right to say no. BTW? Bush didn't force her son over there. He joined the military. It is their duty.
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Forgive the short "RM post"   but that was well put and to the point. I agree fully.
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I don't care about the right or left. Just let this woman meet president bush and she will be satisfied.
If someones wants to meet you badly just let them see you even for 1min. I don't get why this is such a big story. 
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She's already met w/ him once. Why should he see her again? I mean, setting a precedent?
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| borgslayer wrote: | | I don't care about the right or left. Just let this woman meet president bush and she will be satisfied. |
It's already been done.
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| Theresa wrote: | | She's already met w/ him once. Why should he see her again? I mean, setting a precedent? |
Exactly. What, President Bush is going to meet with a blogger for MoveOn.org, or someone that would give them stuff to attack him on? Yeah, right. It won't make a difference whether he meets with her or not--she'll still be a pawn for the left and consistantly be speaking out with/for far-left groups.
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