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webtaz99
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 Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:36 am Iraq's "draft" Constitution |
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from USA Today ( http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-07-26-iraq_x.htm )
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Iraq's draft constitution gives Islam key role
BAGHDAD (AP) � Framers of Iraq's constitution will designate Islam as the main source of legislation � a departure from the model set down by U.S. authorities during the occupation � according to a draft published Tuesday.
The draft states no law will be approved that contradicts "the rules of Islam" � a requirement that could affect women's rights and set Iraq on a course far different from the one envisioned when U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein.
"Islam is the official religion of the state and is the main source of legislation," reads the draft published in the government newspaper Al-Sabah. "No law that contradicts with its rules can be promulgated."
The document also grants the Shiite religious leadership in Najaf a "guiding role" in recognition of its "high national and religious symbolism."
Al-Sabah noted, however, that there were unspecified differences among the committee on the Najaf portion. Those would presumably include Kurds, Sunni Arabs and secular Shiites on the 71-member committee.
During the U.S.-run occupation, which ended June 28, 2004, key Shiite and some Sunni politicians sought to have Islam designated the main source of legislation in the interim constitution, which took effect in March 2004.
However, the U.S. governor of Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, blocked the move, agreeing only that Islam would be considered "a source" � but not the only one. At the time, prominent Shiite politicians agreed to forego a public battle with Bremer and pursue the issue during the drafting of the permanent constitution.
Some women's groups fear strict interpretation of Islamic principles could erode their rights in such areas as divorce and inheritance. It could also move Iraq toward a more religiously based society than was envisioned by U.S. planners who hoped it would be a beacon of Western-style democracy in a region of one-party rule and theocratic regimes.
Members of the constitutional committee said the draft was among several and none would be final until parliament approves the charter by Aug. 15.
The drafting committee met Tuesday to discuss federalism, one of the most contentious issues, according to Sunni Arab member Mohammed Abed-Rabbou. He described the discussion as "heated" and said no agreement was reached.
Parliament speaker Hajim al-Hassani, a Sunni Arab, urged Iraqi media to refrain from publishing supposed texts unless they are released by the constitutional committee.
Sunni Arabs involved in writing the charter have complained that Shiites and Kurds are trying to steamroll their version of the draft without proper consultation and discussion.
The Sunnis agreed only Monday to resume work on the committee after they walked out to protest the assassination of two colleagues this month.
"It's very important that the constitution is produced through the participation of all Iraqis," U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad told reporters Tuesday. "This is important for ending and defeating the insurgency, for having a political compact and I want to say to the Arab Sunni community that they can count on us for such a compact."
Sunni Arab support is crucial because the charter can be scuttled if voters in three of Iraq's 18 provinces reject it by a two-thirds majority � and Sunni Arabs are a majority in four provinces. Sunni Arabs make up about 20% of Iraq's 27 million people but dominate areas where the insurgency is raging.
U.S. officials are eager for the Iraqis to meet the Aug. 15 deadline as a major step in building a stable constitutional government, considered key to pacifying the Sunni insurgency and enabling the U.S. and its partners to begin drawing down troop strength.
If the deadline is met, voters will decide whether to approve the charter in mid-October and if they do, another general election will take place in December.
In an Internet statement Tuesday, al-Qaeda's wing in Iraq warned Iraqis not to take part in the constitutional referendum, saying democracy goes against God's law and anyone who participates would be considered an "infidel," and earmarked for death.
According to Al-Sabah, the draft constitution would declare Iraq a sovereign state with "a republican democratic federal system." However, the word "federal" appears in brackets, indicating opposition among the committee.
Sunni Arabs are suspicious that federalism, a prime goal of the Kurds, would lead to the disintegration of Iraq.
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If those ingrate SOB's turn Iraq into a Muslim state I say we NUKE THEM OUT OF EXISTENCE! We should have left them to Saddam and his monster sons! It's like they're spitting on the grave of every soldier (of ANY nationality) who helped free them!
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Jeremy
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| Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:44 am |
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| Quote: | | The draft states no law will be approved that contradicts "the rules of Islam" � a requirement that could affect women's rights and set Iraq on a course far different from the one envisioned when U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein. |
Really, what did they expect to happen?
I disagree with it, but if it is to be a Iraqi run government then it will be like that. That was the only good thing about Saddam. He stopped it becoming like all the other states around about.
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| Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:54 pm Re: Iraq's "draft" Constitution |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | If those ingrate SOB's turn Iraq into a Muslim state I say we NUKE THEM OUT OF EXISTENCE! We should have left them to Saddam and his monster sons! It's like they're spitting on the grave of every soldier (of ANY nationality) who helped free them!
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Ingrates? Why are there so many racist member on STV?
Whats wrong with it becoming a Muslim state? That is their Religion and their right. What? did you want to turn them into a Christian state? If we did that, we would be proving all those Liberals right, that we went in there and did what we want to transform them into a Middle Eastern USA. We didn't do that.
I mean they do have to becareful with all the Islamic terrorists and trying to take control through their governement. But I think that can be achieved.
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Jeff Miller
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| Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:59 pm |
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Racist members of STV? I don't know any.
I think its good that they are drafting their constution another step to us getting out of there. 
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:38 pm |
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They can draft any constitiution they want, as far as I'm concerned. It's their state. However, hopefully women's rights will be respected, considering. And all that other stuff.
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Jeff Miller
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| Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:56 pm |
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I agree but since they are heavy in those ways it may take awhile before women have equal rights over there. I did however see a special edition of the nightly news where some females in a opressed nation not iraq though were starting to become independent.
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webtaz99
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| Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:33 am Re: Iraq's "draft" Constitution |
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| Founder wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | If those ingrate SOB's turn Iraq into a Muslim state I say we NUKE THEM OUT OF EXISTENCE! We should have left them to Saddam and his monster sons! It's like they're spitting on the grave of every soldier (of ANY nationality) who helped free them!
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Ingrates? Why are there so many racist member on STV?
Whats wrong with it becoming a Muslim state? That is their Religion and their right. What? did you want to turn them into a Christian state? If we did that, we would be proving all those Liberals right, that we went in there and did what we want to transform them into a Middle Eastern USA. We didn't do that.
I mean they do have to becareful with all the Islamic terrorists and trying to take control through their governement. But I think that can be achieved. |
My post did not include anything racial. Why call me a racist?
Also, "What's wrong with it becoming a Muslim state" is that Islamic law is oppressive and removes just about any womens' rights. If all they wanted was Islamic law they should have overthrown Saddam themselves.
And a free, democratic Iraq does not have to be a Christian Iraq. Political freedom does not require Christianity.
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Arellia
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It's true it's their country and they should be allowed to have it as they like it, but making it an Islamic state only throws it once again back into an old-century style of thinking, one that has been notoriously dangerous and inhumane. I know, I know, there are good Muslims and bad Muslims, but with the kind of people in Iraq and how they live... *shrugs* Theocracies aren't generally the most accepting societies. It's rather counter-productive, I think, and possibly explosive in the future. But hey, it's not like we can very well change it. I happen to like Taz's idea... or, a second, less bloody solution, might be to put a big dome over the dangerous middle-east countries and come back in ten years.
...oh...right...I said 'less bloody.' Silly me.
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Pah-Wraith
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| Sat Aug 13, 2005 1:47 pm |
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Hello,
Webtaz, if you want to debate Islamic Law with someone I'd be happy to arrange an online debate entitled "Shariah Law in Iraq: Oppressive or Tolerant?" and I'll get some Shia Scholars (since Iraq would be a Shi'ite Nation under Shariah) to come up with their evidence and you to come up with your evidence seeing as you seem to be such an expert on the topic.
PM a debate format, time and a date, we can make it a big online event.
Thanks,
Pah-Wraith.
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webtaz99
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| Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:21 pm |
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Bring it. Start a thread. Why ask my permission?
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