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borgslayer
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 Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:43 pm Volunteers report first group of illegal immigrants |
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| Quote: | PHOENIX, Arizona (AP) -- Volunteers for an effort to patrol the Mexican border reported their first sighting of suspected illegal immigrants, resulting in 18 arrests, authorities said Sunday.
Participants in the Minuteman Project spotted the migrants Saturday near Naco as the volunteers were surveying the border to familiarize themselves with the area. When agents arrived, they apprehended 18 people, Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame said.
"You observe them, report them and get out of the way," said Mike McGarry, a spokesman for the project, which begins Monday and is to continue for a month.
The volunteers reported another illegal immigrant after he wandered onto the campus of a Bible college near the community of Palominas, where about 100 Minuteman participants were staying.
The man walked in and said he needed food and water. Volunteers helped him and notified federal agents, who picked him up, McGarry said.
The man was weary from traveling but did not need medical attention, Adame said.
"It's not uncommon to have aliens that have had enough," Adame said. "They'll walk up to someone's house and ask them to call us. They're waiting on the porch when we arrive."
Minuteman volunteers planned to start regular patrols Monday, fanning out across 23 miles of the San Pedro Valley to watch the border and report any illegal activity to federal agents. It's an exercise some law enforcement authorities and others fear could lead to vigilante violence.
McGarry said about 200 people would be in place for Monday's patrols, although human rights activists and some authorities have questioned whether the project will attract as many volunteers as organizers expect.
Law enforcement officials said the volunteers were keeping the peace, despite concerns they might become confrontational with immigrants. Many of the volunteers were recruited over the Internet and some plan to be armed.
"Everything seems to be going well," said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Office.
The Arizona-Mexico border is considered the most vulnerable stretch of the 2,000-mile southern border. Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/03/border.volunteers.ap/index.html
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Dirt
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:36 am |
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Such great human beings, protecting the US from all those cheap labourers. Imagine that, people wanting to find work and a better life, good thing they get stopped!
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:45 am |
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*Sigh* Great news. 
The ONLY time I'll agree with Dirt.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:15 am |
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I think that's horrible that people are so upset about their conditions in their own country that they want to come here. NOt saying the US is a bad country, just saying that it must be horrible in their original country. So glad I live in the US ^.^
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:23 pm |
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^ditto. I can not imagine living anywhere else. I always think to myself, what if I had to live in the middle east. Or pakistan, and have to dress all in black and cover my whole body. Cultures are so different.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:31 pm |
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^Same here.
However, this is GREAT news. Regular Americans taking a stand to help protect us from those that may bring us harm and stop those who are breaking the law.
And cheap laborers? Yeah, cheap laborers may come through, and that's part of the problem with the American economy that comes from this. Someone wants a job at minimum wage, and another wants it for less. Who are they going to go to? The rightful, legal citizen or worker, who wants more, or the illegal person who wants less? And stopping "cheap labor" is NOT the only aspect to ANY of this. There is more, and these people are good, patriotic Americans. I am glad that the Minutemen project is in existence.
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zero
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:34 pm |
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I just feel bad for them. Even though they are breaking the law, and coming into our country illegaly. And also, I feel bad about how they are treated like crap. They don't get paid well, and they can't do anything about it or they will get deported. But I'm sure it is still better than living in some parts of mexico. Their government really needs to get that country in check and make things better for the people.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:35 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | I just feel bad for them. Even though they are breaking the law, and coming into our country illegaly. And also, I feel bad about how they are treated like crap. They don't get paid well, and they can't do anything about it or they will get deported. But I'm sure it is still better than living in some parts of mexico. Their government really needs to get that country in check and make things better for the people. |
Oh, if I were a Mexican or another person like them, I would want to come here. I understand that, and feel for them. But breaking our laws is not the right thing to do.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:45 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | zero wrote: | | I just feel bad for them. Even though they are breaking the law, and coming into our country illegaly. And also, I feel bad about how they are treated like crap. They don't get paid well, and they can't do anything about it or they will get deported. But I'm sure it is still better than living in some parts of mexico. Their government really needs to get that country in check and make things better for the people. |
Oh, if I were a Mexican or another person like them, I would want to come here. I understand that, and feel for them. But breaking our laws is not the right thing to do. |
I know you are all about the law. And I know you feel bad for them, trust me, I don't like having illegal aliens in my country either. But I just don't understand how the presidents can let it get so bad that the people have to cross our borders. Maybe there is just no work?
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:46 pm |
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| zero wrote: | | I know you are all about the law. And I know you feel bad for them, trust me, I don't like having illegal aliens in my country either. But I just don't understand how the presidents can let it get so bad that the people have to cross our borders. Maybe there is just no work? |
Hey, guess what? The Mexican government is HELPING people cross the border, releasing books and recent DVDs on how to do it. They WANT them to leave, and to give us the problem.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:50 pm |
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oh god, that is terrible.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:44 pm |
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| Dirt wrote: | | Such great human beings, protecting the US from all those cheap labourers. Imagine that, people wanting to find work and a better life, good thing they get stopped! |
The law is the law, and if you want to live in the U.S., one of the first things you need to do is learn how to follow it. And it is not as if they are all innocent, poor souls that just want to have a better life. Yes, that is true in many cases. However at the same time, it is not as well. There is drug trafficing, terrorism, and many other things that we must worry about. Having so many people living in the United States, without being on record is a huge security hazard, and could make it nearly impossibly to track someone if it were to be necessary. I feel bad for these people that they live in such bad conditions, however, illegally crossing the boarder is dangerous to Americans. And being Americans, it is our responsibility to protect our own country, and it's people. As a side note, this is also leading to uncontrolled and unrecorded growth in boarder states, which is also dangerous. So although it is sad, it is necessary.
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borgslayer
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:44 pm |
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The Mexican Government were saying something about helping people survive the trip to the U.S. from Mexico. In any case President Vincente Fox of Mexico wants the U.S. to drop its border the let the all illegal in safely.
"sarcasm"
Why don't we just let all the mexicans in to the United States and empty the mexican population in Mexico el presidente Fox. 
They need to close the border seriously I mean tight close like a super glue tight.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:46 pm |
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I agree, this issue would not be happening if our boarders were better watched. I pass through some and half the time they are closed!
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:48 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Dirt wrote: | | Such great human beings, protecting the US from all those cheap labourers. Imagine that, people wanting to find work and a better life, good thing they get stopped! |
The law is the law, and if you want to live in the U.S., one of the first things you need to do is learn how to follow it. And it is not as if they are all innocent, poor souls that just want to have a better life. Yes, that is true in many cases. However at the same time, it is not as well. There is drug trafficing, terrorism, and many other things that we must worry about. Having so many people living in the United States, without being on record is a huge security hazard, and could make it nearly impossibly to track someone if it were to be necessary. I feel bad for these people that they live in such bad conditions, however, illegally crossing the boarder is dangerous to Americans. And being Americans, it is our responsibility to protect our own country, and it's people. As a side note, this is also leading to uncontrolled and unrecorded growth in boarder states, which is also dangerous. So although it is sad, it is necessary. |
Exactly. Very well said. Something must be done, for the security of our nations.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:21 pm |
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Well usually the only solution is doing this. I'm sure many believe that Mexicans are simply to "lazy" to get a green card. If they're too lazy to get a green card, then how are they not to lazy to swim, jump, run, and sneak across the border? Its not laziness, but rather difficulty. ITs almost impossible to get a green card if you're Mexican. I have a friend that works in Immigration. She tells me that its getting harder and harder. I support Bush to the fullest, but I don't think he is doing enough to make Green cards easier to aquire. If he worked on that, rather than shutting out our borders, then this may not be such a big problem.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:23 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Well usually the only solution is doing this. I'm sure many believe that Mexicans are simply to "lazy" to get a green card. If they're too lazy to get a green card, then how are they not to lazy to swim, jump, run, and sneak across the border? Its not laziness, but rather difficulty. ITs almost impossible to get a green card if you're Mexican. I have a friend that works in Immigration. She tells me that its getting harder and harder. I support Bush to the fullest, but I don't think he is doing enough to make Green cards easier to aquire. If he worked on that, rather than shutting out our borders, then this may not be such a big problem. |
I think we should make them harder too aquire, and we HAVE to shut down our borders BEFORE we can do this. MORE immigrants will come if they don't. And I never said laziness was it.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:25 pm |
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Harder to aquire? What will that solve?
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:27 pm |
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I see the point, and I want to agree, but at the same time, we have to understand that, especially in this time of transition, we are trying to make our country more secure. While it does need to be easier, the first priority needs to be the safety of our country. We need to find a way to make it easy, but not so that anyone can just come through, such as a terrorist. Once they figure out a way to balance efficiency with security, then we can work on making it easier. However, at this point, our boarders need to be safer, and this should be top priority. Since they are willing to work so hard to cross the boarder also, you would think they could work harder to obey our laws as well.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:30 pm |
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Once they are here, they do everything to uphold the law. The citizens at least. I can't speak for the drug dealers. They integrate themselves into our society and I think the "They're taking our jobs" are ridiciulous arguments. They aren't "stealing" anything. They will do ANYTHING. It should not be harder to aquire. That only will make more people push into America. I agree that the screening process should be thorough though. I also agree we need to lockdown our borders, ONLY because of terrorists using it. NO OTHER REASON.
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Puck
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:32 pm |
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Once they get here...does that make it ok that they broke the law anyways?
Question:
If I cop were to stop me because I was speeding, would it make it ok if I said, "I was going to stop speeding when I got to my destination? "
Answer:
No. I broke the law.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:34 pm |
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Heh I thought you would bring that point up. As soon as I wrote my post, I was like "Wait...that doesn't make sense." 
Anyways, like I said its the only alternative they have. Green Cards are WAY TOO HARD to aquire right not. Making them harder to aquire will only serve to open the border up. I'm not saying hand them out to anyone, but the way it is now is ridiculous.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:38 pm |
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Maybe if we almost COMPLETELY shut down the border where no more than 200 illegals are coming in the country, we can allow easier access to Green Cards, but with more security. Until then, however, we cannot, for the security of this nation.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:59 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Maybe if we almost COMPLETELY shut down the border where no more than 200 illegals are coming in the country, we can allow easier access to Green Cards, but with more security. Until then, however, we cannot, for the security of this nation. |
I agree with that. We can shut down the border, but in the future green cards MUST become accesible.
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| Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:13 pm |
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And Vicente Fox MUST do something to help his country get out of the poverty and current situation that it is in. But the sad thing is, he won't. Instead, he helps illegals cross over, and adds to the problem. He doesn't give a damn about the US, and want's it to become our problem. A good leader during the bringing about of Democracy, yes. But a good President? No.
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