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House Panel Probes Oil-for-Food Scandal
Wednesday, November 17, 2004
WASHINGTON � Lawmakers are questioning whether a French bank failed to comply with U.S. money-laundering laws, possibly helping Saddam Hussein (search) manipulate the $60 billion U.N. oil-for-food (search) program. The bank denies any wrongdoing.
In the latest in a series of congressional investigations of alleged corruption in the oil-for-food program, the House International Relations Committee was homing in on the role of the U.S. branch of BNP-Paribas (search), which handled most of the oil-for-food money.
The humanitarian program, begun in 1996, allowed Iraq to trade oil for goods to help Iraqis get food, medicine and other necessities that became scarce under strict U.N. economic sanctions imposed after the Gulf War. It was credited with preventing widespread starvation.
Committee Chairman Henry Hyde (search), R-Ill, said the panel found evidence that BNP in some cases improperly approved payments of oil-for-food funds to companies that weren't supposed to receive them. The bank may also have allowed payments to companies that were shipping to Iraq goods prohibited by international sanctions.
"There are indications that the bank may have been noncompliant in administering the oil-for-food program," Hyde said in remarks prepared for Wednesday's hearing. "If true, these possible banking lapses may have facilitated Saddam Hussein's manipulation and corruption of the program."
He said he was providing the committee's findings to the House Financial Services Committee, which oversees banking issues.
BNP officials say the bank's role in the program was limited and it had no control over how the money was spent. It acknowledges regulators had raised some issues on compliance with banking laws, but said none of these would have contributed to the oil-for-food abuses.
A series of investigations have found that Saddam, as Iraqi president, used oil smuggling, bribes and kickbacks to generate up to $21.3 billion or more in illegal revenue while under international sanctions from 1991-2003.
Though smuggling accounted for most of that money, the most sensational revelations have involved on the oil-for-food program, with allegations that Saddam and his aides bribed U.N. and foreign officials in an effort to break down the sanctions.
"We all knew that Saddam was doing everything in his power to evade sanctions," the panel's top Democrat, Rep. Tom Lantos of California, said in prepared remarks. "But it is truly infuriating to discover the depth of the contempt and greed displayed by the governments of nations such as France, Russia and Syria who evidently jumped at the chance to participate in Saddam's crimes against the international community."
Hyde said the committee found evidence that Saddam used kickback revenues to make $25,000 payments to families of Palestinian suicide bombers who carried out attacks on Israel.
Lawmakers have clashed with U.N. officials over what documents would be provided to congressional investigators. The United Nations has raised concerns that congressional investigations could interfere with an inquiry by a committee led by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker (search). That committee was appointed by Secretary-General Kofi Annan in April to investigate corruption allegations.
On Tuesday, Volcker told leaders of a Senate subcommittee investigating oil-for-food that the committee won't hand over documents until its own investigative reports are issued starting in January.
Volcker also said he opposed letting U.N. staff or contractors testify before Congress because it could risk their cooperation with his investigation. Volcker was responding to a letter from Sens. Norm Coleman, R-Minn. and Carl Levin, D-Mich., respectively chairman and ranking Democrat on the Senate Governmental Affairs Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.
Coleman said in a statement Wednesday that Volcker assured him in a conversation Tuesday "that any efforts to thwart our investigation, or prevent my staff from interviewing witnesses, would come to an end."
Hyde warned that "if cooperation from those agencies and institutions involved in this program continues to be inadequate, then we will exercise such enforcement remedies as the law makes available to us. This inquiry is just beginning."
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I hope we can get down to the bottom of this corrupt organization...
And proof of Saddam's ties with terrorists: He gave money to the families of Palestinian homocide bombers. Bad news. No ties to terrorists my butt.
And he didn't just use ordinary money--he used OIL FOR FOOD MONEY that was SUPPOSED to help his people who were in turmoil and starving!
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I sincerely wish that one day, the world would wake up, and the doors to the UN HQ in New York were locked and there were US Marines outside making sure no one entered the building. America has no use for being in a corrupt, and now terrorist supporting organization that makes laws and doesn't enforce them. America doesn't tollerate that.
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| Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:44 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | I sincerely wish that one day, the world would wake up, and the doors to the UN HQ in New York were locked and there were US Marines outside making sure no one entered the building. America has no use for being in a corrupt, and now terrorist supporting organization that makes laws and doesn't enforce them. America doesn't tollerate that. |
Agreed. And America is now taking steps against it--they aren't giving money to the UN anymore.
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O yeah. Let's have another world war.
And don't say that was a useless comment now, think about it! Compare... and contrast.
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| Five - seveN wrote: | O yeah. Let's have another world war.
And don't say that was a useless comment now, think about it! Compare... and contrast. |
Let me bring you to reality: We are IN WWIII.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Five - seveN wrote: | O yeah. Let's have another world war.
And don't say that was a useless comment now, think about it! Compare... and contrast. |
Let me bring you to reality: We are IN WWIII. |
No we aren't. There isn't open war in a lot of places. Admittedly the Middle East is a veritable hot bed of militant action, yes, but I've yet to see anything on par with the battles being fought in the last World War. I don't see Canada or Britain or the EU getting hyped up about it.
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That is their mistake.
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. (i.e. Israel, the US, Russia, and most Middle-East countries and more)
You are not opening your mind to think that a World War can only be all-out world-wide war. That is where you are mistaken.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly?
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| Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:47 pm |
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| Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly? |
The terrorists.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly? |
The terrorists. |
Really? I had it down as being a couple of moronic, if misinformed, country leaders.
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| Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly? |
The terrorists. |
Really? I had it down as being a couple of moronic, if misinformed, country leaders. |
Subtle attack...Great.
No, the terrorists attacked the US, and have begun a war on most of the Earth. It may not have happened in many countries yet, but it will. The terrorists started this war. This war was thrust upon us.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly? |
The terrorists. |
Really? I had it down as being a couple of moronic, if misinformed, country leaders. |
Subtle attack...Great.
No, the terrorists attacked the US, and have begun a war on most of the Earth. It may not have happened in many countries yet, but it will. The terrorists started this war. This war was thrust upon us. |
Uh...no. We kind of started it. We being the "modern" Western world.
The Middle East was really doing pretty well untill we instilled the idea of personal property in them.
A lot of what has happened is actually a result of Western meddling in affairs that weren't really theirs. Look back about a hundred years or so and you should find the beginings of what is now finally coming into a war.
We can NOT blame all of this on the terrorists. Yes, they did attack us. Yes, they are bad. Yes, they should be stopped. No, it is not all their fault. And No, I am not sticking up for them. I hate the terrorists. I just think we are being naive and in a bit of denial.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | have begun a war on most of the Earth. |
Clarify please, if you would.
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly? |
The terrorists. |
Really? I had it down as being a couple of moronic, if misinformed, country leaders. |
Subtle attack...Great.
No, the terrorists attacked the US, and have begun a war on most of the Earth. It may not have happened in many countries yet, but it will. The terrorists started this war. This war was thrust upon us. |
Uh...no. We kind of started it. We being the "modern" Western world.
The Middle East was really doing pretty well untill we instilled the idea of personal property in them.
A lot of what has happened is actually a result of Western meddling in affairs that weren't really theirs. Look back about a hundred years or so and you should find the beginings of what is now finally coming into a war.
We can NOT blame all of this on the terrorists. Yes, they did attack us. Yes, they are bad. Yes, they should be stopped. No, it is not all their fault. And No, I am not sticking up for them. I hate the terrorists. I just think we are being naive and in a bit of denial. |
There is no excuse for terrorism. No one said the poor situation was all their fault, but nothing they do is justified.
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly? |
The terrorists. |
Really? I had it down as being a couple of moronic, if misinformed, country leaders. |
Subtle attack...Great.
No, the terrorists attacked the US, and have begun a war on most of the Earth. It may not have happened in many countries yet, but it will. The terrorists started this war. This war was thrust upon us. |
Uh...no. We kind of started it. We being the "modern" Western world.
The Middle East was really doing pretty well untill we instilled the idea of personal property in them.
A lot of what has happened is actually a result of Western meddling in affairs that weren't really theirs. Look back about a hundred years or so and you should find the beginings of what is now finally coming into a war.
We can NOT blame all of this on the terrorists. Yes, they did attack us. Yes, they are bad. Yes, they should be stopped. No, it is not all their fault. And No, I am not sticking up for them. I hate the terrorists. I just think we are being naive and in a bit of denial. |
No, we did NOT start it. And have you seen how people like Saddam tortured their people in the middle east, and still do? I've seen pictures. I've seen scenes from Buried in the Sand, which shows footage of BRUTAL torture that could be GREATLY compared to Hitler.
1. This guy's legs were tied up to a poll and whipped over 25 times, and why? He was LATE FOR A MEETING!
2. You think what our troops at Abu Ghraib Prison did to us is bad? I saw footage of what the Iraqis did to their prisoners. I saw them being WHIPPED senselessly, trying to back off.
3. I saw footage of people being put up into FIRING LINES just before being shot!
4. I saw HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE whippings, and edited footage of tongues being cut off, etc. HORRIBLE STUFF. Yes, I saw this on the news. No, I don't think this goes to far. It HAS to be seen, to show the nature of the enemy. (I'll explain my differing in this censorship in the Censorship debate)
But that's a bit off topic...The crux of the matter is we have NOT instigated this war! I hate how you Liberals have to think that WE started this war! We did NOT. We were BARELY involved in the Middle East SAVE trying to help Israeli-Palistinian peace, the first Iraq conflict (helping another country) and the Iran-Iraq war, really that's it, prior to 9/11. What we have is FREEDOM, as well as are the most powerful nation and most wealthy nation in the world as well as are declining in morals, something that helps terrorists recruit, and they want Islam to be the only religion. We did NOT bring this war upon us--THEY thrust it upon us with 9/11!
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Israel (attacked daily), US, Russia, Spain, Iraq, Afghanistan, Great Britain, Australia, and of course terrorists nations like Palistine and Iran. This is a WORLD WAR with MANY countries involved, and it's only growing.
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It's certainly not a world war, at least, not in the way you see it. You could call it a worldwide fight against terror, which it is, but I assure you, if it had a fraction of the importance WWI and II exhibited, we'd likely be seeing a lot worse than we are now. You seem quite unperturbed, and even, perhaps, enthusiastic about this.
Terrorism has been happening throughout history. Sure, with media everywhere, this fight looks far worse, but it's not what you think it is. At least, not yet. The way things are going, however...
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | TrekkieMage wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Kyre wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | That is their mistake. |
Yes. The World is being thrust into this war. |
By whom, exactly? |
The terrorists. |
Really? I had it down as being a couple of moronic, if misinformed, country leaders. |
Subtle attack...Great.
No, the terrorists attacked the US, and have begun a war on most of the Earth. It may not have happened in many countries yet, but it will. The terrorists started this war. This war was thrust upon us. |
Uh...no. We kind of started it. We being the "modern" Western world.
The Middle East was really doing pretty well untill we instilled the idea of personal property in them.
A lot of what has happened is actually a result of Western meddling in affairs that weren't really theirs. Look back about a hundred years or so and you should find the beginings of what is now finally coming into a war.
We can NOT blame all of this on the terrorists. Yes, they did attack us. Yes, they are bad. Yes, they should be stopped. No, it is not all their fault. And No, I am not sticking up for them. I hate the terrorists. I just think we are being naive and in a bit of denial. |
No, we did NOT start it. And have you seen how people like Saddam tortured their people in the middle east, and still do? I've seen pictures. I've seen scenes from Buried in the Sand, which shows footage of BRUTAL torture that could be GREATLY compared to Hitler.
1. This guy's legs were tied up to a poll and whipped over 25 times, and why? He was LATE FOR A MEETING!
2. You think what our troops at Abu Ghraib Prison did to us is bad? I saw footage of what the Iraqis did to their prisoners. I saw them being WHIPPED senselessly, trying to back off.
3. I saw footage of people being put up into FIRING LINES just before being shot!
4. I saw HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE whippings, and edited footage of tongues being cut off, etc. HORRIBLE STUFF. Yes, I saw this on the news. No, I don't think this goes to far. It HAS to be seen, to show the nature of the enemy. (I'll explain my differing in this censorship in the Censorship debate)
But that's a bit off topic...The crux of the matter is we have NOT instigated this war! I hate how you Liberals have to think that WE started this war! We did NOT. We were BARELY involved in the Middle East SAVE trying to help Israeli-Palistinian peace, the first Iraq conflict (helping another country) and the Iran-Iraq war, really that's it, prior to 9/11. What we have is FREEDOM, as well as are the most powerful nation and most wealthy nation in the world as well as are declining in morals, something that helps terrorists recruit, and they want Islam to be the only religion. We did NOT bring this war upon us--THEY thrust it upon us with 9/11!
| Quote: | | Clarify please, if you would. |
Israel (attacked daily), US, Russia, Spain, Iraq, Afghanistan, Great Britain, Australia, and of course terrorists nations like Palistine and Iran. This is a WORLD WAR with MANY countries involved, and it's only growing. |
He's trying to say the western world I think in this case, rather than America in particular.
I agree with Kyre about it being a worldwide fight against terror than a 3rd world war.
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Yeah. I wouldn't say its a WW yet but its close. Also this war is not our faults. Your views are very twisted if you think that. Welcome to the Liberal point of view. "America is the source of all evil in the world."
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| Republican_Man wrote: | No, we did NOT start it. And have you seen how people like Saddam tortured their people in the middle east, and still do? I've seen pictures. I've seen scenes from Buried in the Sand, which shows footage of BRUTAL torture that could be GREATLY compared to Hitler.
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WE PUT SUDDAM HUSSAIN IN POWER.
I do not agree with terrorism, I believed it should be stopped at all costs, I believe what is happening is horrible. But I also believe we are going about it the wrong way.
And we are certainly not in a world war, and I don't think it will become a world war any time soon.
Founder: I don't think this is all America's fault. I think that the ideals and values of the Western world and the Eastern world are very different, and I don't think that either side was cautious enough to realize this at the beginning of the century.
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| Kyre wrote: | It's certainly not a world war, at least, not in the way you see it. You could call it a worldwide fight against terror, which it is, but I assure you, if it had a fraction of the importance WWI and II exhibited, we'd likely be seeing a lot worse than we are now. You seem quite unperturbed, and even, perhaps, enthusiastic about this.
Terrorism has been happening throughout history. Sure, with media everywhere, this fight looks far worse, but it's not what you think it is. At least, not yet. The way things are going, however... |
Yes, terrorism has gone on for a long time, but until President Bush, no one *coughs Clinton* did anything about it. It took 9/11 for something to happen.
But I believe that it is WWIII, as do MANY Americans, myself, Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly included (as well as one of my Liberal friends) The conflict does NOT have to be an ALL OUT war for it to be a WW.
| Founder wrote: | | Yeah. I wouldn't say its a WW yet but its close. Also this war is not our faults. Your views are very twisted if you think that. Welcome to the Liberal point of view. "America is the source of all evil in the world." |
Agreed. Except for the WW idea.
| TrekkieMage wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | No, we did NOT start it. And have you seen how people like Saddam tortured their people in the middle east, and still do? I've seen pictures. I've seen scenes from Buried in the Sand, which shows footage of BRUTAL torture that could be GREATLY compared to Hitler.
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WE PUT SUDDAM HUSSAIN IN POWER.
Actually, you have your history wrong. During the 80's, we were great enemies with Iran, and Iraq was at war with them. At that point in time we weren't great enemies with Iraq, but we were with Iran. So we gave Saddam support (weapons) to help him IN THE WAR. However, once the war was done, he turned his back on us, and used those weapons as some of those on his own people.
I do not agree with terrorism, I believed it should be stopped at all costs, I believe what is happening is horrible. But I also believe we are going about it the wrong way.
I agree with all but the first sentence.
And we are certainly not in a world war, and I don't think it will become a world war any time soon.
I disagree with that. You have to open your mind to an alternate definition of a World War.
Founder: I don't think this is all America's fault. I think that the ideals and values of the Western world and the Eastern world are very different, and I don't think that either side was cautious enough to realize this at the beginning of the century. |
That is part of the matter...
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Um . . . why are we quibbling over semantics (again)? Let RM call it a World War if he wants to . . . after all, the world lets Canada call itself a democracy 
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Um . . . why are we quibbling over semantics (again)? Let RM call it a World War if he wants to . . . after all, the world lets Canada call itself a democracy |
lol, yeah. Anyways, back on topic. Oil for Food.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Oil for Food. |
Okay, what was Oil for Food? 
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