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Republican_Man
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 Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:41 pm Analyzing the Bush Presidency: O'Reilly's Latest Column |
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This is Bill O'Reilly's latest column.
| Bill O'Reilly wrote: | Assessing the Bush Presidency
By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Oct 21, 2004
Hide the plants! Political partisans are sucking much of the air out of the environment with insane rants, and it's tough to get oxygen. So I am going to try something new by attempting to evaluate the Bush presidency using simple logic and stone cold facts. Please don't hate me.
The President's biggest problem is bad foreign intelligence. The CIA bungled the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction scenario and failed to predict the toxic problems that have occurred in Iraq after Saddam's fall. Also, the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI both failed to detect the 9/11 plot. All of this happened on Bush's watch.
In response to those catastrophic intelligence failures, the President has said little. It took him forever to remove CIA chief George Tenet and Mr. Bush is reluctant to address the WMD and Iraqi controversies, preferring to paint an optimistic picture of the future.
But millions of Americans are deeply troubled by the chaos in Iraq and the President's hopeful outlook is not soothing that apprehension. Thus, Mr. Bush is fighting for his political life.
On the homefront, things are better. Despite democratic hysteria, the economic sky is not falling. Unemployment is less than it was when Bill Clinton won reelection in 1996, and most Americans are living comfortable lives. The situation does vary from state to state, however. Florida, for example, is booming, while Ohio is struggling. That situation makes the electoral vote outlook a tossup.
Gas prices are way up, but Americans seem to be taking that in stride. Once again, the President has not said much about rising fuel prices, concentrating on the big picture, which is that the U.S. economy is much better than that in most other developed countries.
On social issues, Mr. Bush has played it smart. He and his conservative base are compatible and the President sincerely believes that gay marriage, partial birth abortion and faith based initiatives are subjects worth taking a strong stand on. Bush's support is much more fervent than Kerry's, according to all the polls, and that's because of his social outlook.
The presidency of George W. Bush is hard to evaluate because of the war on terror, which has consumed much of his time. The No Child Left Behind Act is a vast improvement over the directionless academic chaos that had been plaguing many American school districts. The funding issue is largely bogus: many states simply can't spend all the money that is available because of poor administration.
Homeland Security is debatable, but what is undeniable is that we have not been hit again by Al Qaeda. That's a big win for Mr. Bush.
So summing up, the President's big downside is the intelligence debacle and his failure to adequately explain it. His big plus is that most Americans like him, and his conservative base reveres him. If he defeats John Kerry, he will do it on who he is, rather than what he's done.
Next week in this space we will analyze the Kerry challenge. See you then.
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http://www.billoreilly.com/currentarticle
Now, I agree with the majority of O'Reilly's statements, that the CIA should have been reformed a bit sooner, 9/11 should have been prevented better (even though there was no way, from the looks of it) etc etc, but this I disagree with:
| Quote: | But millions of Americans are deeply troubled by the chaos in Iraq and the President's hopeful outlook is not soothing that apprehension. Thus, Mr. Bush is fighting for his political life.
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I am not troubled by the "chaos" in Iraq, as it is not chaos like Mr. O'Reilly says. It is not as great as we want--heck no. But chaos? No.
And I think that the President's optomistic viewpoint IS soothing.
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| Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:17 pm |
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Soothing, from a fear-monger? Maybe his optimistic outlook is soothing, but any "soothing" I get is outweighed by the fear being used by both candidates in this debate.
There pretty much is chaos in Iraq, as there is much in the Middle East. This chaos tends to be isolated, however. It isn't constant chaos, but I think it has been going on intermittently for long enough to call the situation inherently unstable, dangerous, and therefore chaotic.
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Kyre
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| Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:18 pm Re: Analyzing the Bush Presidency: O'Reilly's Latest Column |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | If he defeats John Kerry, he will do it on who he is, rather than what he's done. |
Quite possibly the most frightening thing I have read in a long, long time.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:55 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | There pretty much is chaos in Iraq, as there is much in the Middle East. This chaos tends to be isolated, however. It isn't constant chaos, but I think it has been going on intermittently for long enough to call the situation inherently unstable, dangerous, and therefore chaotic. |
That's a good point, actually.
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| Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:25 pm |
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Bill O'Reilly is a prick. A total prick. He will yell at ANYONE who disagrees with him, no matter how wrong he is. And hes wrong often. He is a total *beep*, and I have 0 respect for him. At least I have some respect for Bush, but sure as hell not O'Reilly.
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| Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:14 pm |
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Been to Maddox's website eh Mark?  
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:52 pm |
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| Defiant wrote: | | Bill O'Reilly is a prick. A total prick. He will yell at ANYONE who disagrees with him, no matter how wrong he is. And hes wrong often. He is a total *beep*, and I have 0 respect for him. At least I have some respect for Bush, but sure as hell not O'Reilly. |
Alright,
1) I hope you don't think that he's Conservative, because he's NOT.
2) Do you even WATCH O'Reilly, because it's JUST NOT TRUE that he yells at people who disagree with him! If they slander him or are saying some wacked-out crap, THEN he yells.
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Defiant
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:01 am |
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No RM, anyone who disagrees with him, he will keep saying "shut up" until they do. And if they dont, he'll yell at his producers to "cut his mic." Ive seen it. Many times. Bill OReilly is the scum of the Earth.
Maddox hits the nail on the head, but I dont need him to tell me who is a *beep* or not, I just know.
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Arellia
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:36 am |
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Lovely visualization. <Sarcasm>
I'm afraid Defiant is somewhat correct. However, sometimes Bill has reason for cutting sound to people. Sometimes, he does not. A lot of talkshow hosts seem to do that. (Rush, for one) It annoys me, but that's their perrogative. I used to like O'Reily, but I continually like him less and less. And a bit less than that. I think that his fame has gone to his head in a number of ways. He is, I will grant, relatively "fair" when it comes to criticizing both sides of the political aisle. Beyond that, I'm not sure I can give him too much more. I'd rather have Savage's criticisms any day, but that's me. 
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Defiant
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:42 am |
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I respect absolutely no show on the Fox News network. After seeing the movie Outfoxed, I have 0 respect for Fox News. Period. And Bill OReilly is the worst.
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Arellia
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:46 am |
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*raises an eyebrow* Hm. Now, I really can't agree with that, and I must wonder where the animocity towards Fox comes from. I could hardly see CNN or MSNBC being any better. Or (c)BS...or ABC... *shrugs*
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Defiant
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:08 am |
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I think CNN is alot better. Fox is run by Rupert Murdoch, and Rupert Murdoch uses his influence to push his Republican agenda. Its proven. I mean, cmon! They announce how many days it is until election, by saying "We're x days until George W. Bush is re-elected President." CMON NOW.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:36 am |
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| Defiant wrote: | No RM, anyone who disagrees with him, he will keep saying "shut up" until they do. And if they dont, he'll yell at his producers to "cut his mic." Ive seen it. Many times. Bill OReilly is the scum of the Earth.
Maddox hits the nail on the head, but I dont need him to tell me who is a blubbering vagina or not, I just know. |
Look closely. In his how many years on the air he's only said "shut up" SIX TIMES. SIX TIMES. And he doesn't cut people off the air!
| Exalya wrote: | Lovely visualization. <Sarcasm>
I'm afraid Defiant is somewhat correct. However, sometimes Bill has reason for cutting sound to people. Sometimes, he does not. A lot of talkshow hosts seem to do that. (Rush, for one) It annoys me, but that's their perrogative. I used to like O'Reily, but I continually like him less and less. And a bit less than that. I think that his fame has gone to his head in a number of ways. He is, I will grant, relatively "fair" when it comes to criticizing both sides of the political aisle. Beyond that, I'm not sure I can give him too much more. I'd rather have Savage's criticisms any day, but that's me. |
Again:
Look closely. In his how many years on the air he's only said "shut up" SIX TIMES. SIX TIMES. And he doesn't cut people off the air!
However, I have begun to like O'Reilly less and less too, but the truth is he doesn't cut people off, and he's only said "shut up" SIX TIMES. Defiant never even watches O'Reilly.
| Defiant wrote: | | I respect absolutely no show on the Fox News network. After seeing the movie Outfoxed, I have 0 respect for Fox News. Period. And Bill OReilly is the worst. |
NO WONDER! Outfoxed takes things out of context and spins it! They show the FEW times O'Reilly's said "shut up" and the FEW times he's cut off peoples' mikes (for GOOD reasons) and distort EVERTHING about FOX to make it seem bad. Like in it they have a report by Carl Cameron, but they cut out most of it. It wasn't his opinion. It was a REPORT on what Republicans have said.
| Exalya wrote: | | *raises an eyebrow* Hm. Now, I really can't agree with that, and I must wonder where the animocity towards Fox comes from. I could hardly see CNN or MSNBC being any better. Or (c)BS...or ABC... *shrugs* |
WHAT! Do NOT tell me that he's corrupting you, because FOX is HARDLY Republican. If anything, it's becoming more and more Liberal, and I'm getting mad at it sometimes. But they SHOW BOTH SIDES and HAVE to show the truth, no matter how much I or Defiant or anyone else does not like it.
| Defiant wrote: | | I think CNN is alot better. Fox is run by Rupert Murdoch, and Rupert Murdoch uses his influence to push his Republican agenda. Its proven. I mean, cmon! They announce how many days it is until election, by saying "We're x days until George W. Bush is re-elected President." CMON NOW. |
Alright, Defiant. That's Sean Hannity, on Hannity and Colmes. You know what? ALLAN COLMES DOES THE EXACT SAME THING FOR KERRY!!! It's a LIBERAL VS CONSERVATIVE opinion show! YOU DON'T EVEN WATCH THE CHANNEL, SO YOU CAN'T MAKE THOSE JUDGEMENTS. At least I watch CNN sometimes.
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Arellia
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:21 pm |
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RM? Did it look like I was agreeing with him on Fox? NO WAY! I said I DISAGREED with him and wanted to know what he was TALKING about. I have NO idea where you got that I agreed with him on any level! I was being utterly sarcastic! And I KNOW it doesn't have a conservative bias. Who do you think you're talking to?! Spinner. (Please note, my "loud" tone was to get it across, and by the end of this post, I've about fallen over laughing.)
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:47 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | And he doesn't cut people off the air! |
| Republican Man wrote: | | And he doesn't cut people off the air! |
| RM wrote: | | but the truth is he doesn't cut people off |
So...I guess OReilly has never cut anyones mic!
| RM wrote: | | They show the FEW times O'Reilly's said "shut up" and the FEW times he's cut off peoples' mikes |
Oh...wait...I guess he did, huh?
Go ahead RM, keep contradicting yourself.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:46 pm |
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| Exalya wrote: | | RM? Did it look like I was agreeing with him on Fox? NO WAY! I said I DISAGREED with him and wanted to know what he was TALKING about. I have NO idea where you got that I agreed with him on any level! I was being utterly sarcastic! And I KNOW it doesn't have a conservative bias. Who do you think you're talking to?! Spinner. (Please note, my "loud" tone was to get it across, and by the end of this post, I've about fallen over laughing.) |
Okay, yeah, that's fine. I thought you were disagreeing with me
| Defiant wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | And he doesn't cut people off the air! |
| Republican Man wrote: | | And he doesn't cut people off the air! |
| RM wrote: | | but the truth is he doesn't cut people off |
So...I guess OReilly has never cut anyones mic!
| RM wrote: | | They show the FEW times O'Reilly's said "shut up" and the FEW times he's cut off peoples' mikes |
Oh...wait...I guess he did, huh?
Go ahead RM, keep contradicting yourself. |
Alright, sorry. I should have been more specific. He's cut people off HARDLY EVER, and if he does, it is for GOOD reason.
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