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Puck
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 Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:29 pm Bid for S.C. Secession |
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A Free (and Christian) South Carolina?
Monday, August 16, 2004
By Jane Roh
NEW YORK � Nearly 140 years after the Civil War, another group of Americans wants to secede from the union.
Christian Exodus (search), a California-based group, wants God to be its commander in chief. Decrying what it perceives as the unjust secularization of the United States, it wants a sovereign state of its own.
But rather than eye the Golden State � a "lost cause," says the group's founder � it'll settle for South Carolina (search).
Cory Burnell (search), Christian Exodus' founder and president, told FOX News that the group narrowed its focus to the Bible Belt state based on an electorate that is already "Christian-leaning," has its own ports and � unlike its neighbor North Carolina � is no hub of liberalism.
Christian Exodus' mission, according to its Web site, is to scrap the "tyrannical authority" of federal government in favor of a constitutional republic, with the Ten Commandments rather than the U.S. Constitution as government's guide.
Phase One of the group's "plan of action" in breaking down the wall between church and state is to enlist groups of 1,000 members to move into 12 designated House districts in South Carolina, with the goal of voting 12 "Christian sovereigntists" into the state government by 2008.
Subsequent similar phases will then go into effect. If by 2016 group leaders have not achieved the kind of government they want, Christian Exodus will throw down the gauntlet and seek independence.
The group comprises "mainstream evangelical Christians" who oppose abortion under all circumstances, want prayer in schools and hope to live far from "sodomites."
But don't call them isolationists.
"We want to use the existing apparatus [of the United States] to put us in a position to protect our liberties, but we don't want to wall ourselves off from the rest of the world," Burnell told FOX News.
"We have to look at the great mission posed to us by Jesus Christ: Go as a disciple to nations," he said. "We want to go into the rest of the world."
Burnell�s effort is viewed with skepticism by not only expected critics but also by some who share his general religious convictions.
A spokesman for Bob Jones University (search) � a nondenominational Christian university that �stands without apology for the old-time religion and the absolute authority of the Bible � said the school would not be part of the campaign.
"As Christians, it's not our job to start a new country," Jonathan Pait, a spokesman for the university, told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. "It's our job to spread the kingdom and the kingdom is not of this world. It's of the heart."
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 Yikes, how scary.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:35 pm |
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No way.
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Theresa
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:52 pm |
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LOL Why not? Nova Scotia can take their place, 
(it was on the news, about Nova Scotia) We like Nova Scotia, very pretty there.
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Founder
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:54 pm |
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This is getting kinda weird. It makes me feel like a World religious war will erupt one day. No state should secede. These people don't like it? Then get out of the country!
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gilbert3729
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:55 pm |
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why do they want to stir up trouble? 
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:06 pm |
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I say give them what they want. They want their own place to call their own, Fine. Dump them on an unihabited Island in the Pacific.
there they can practice whatever they want.
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Hitchhiker
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:10 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | I say give them what they want. They want their own place to call their own, Fine. Dump them on an unihabited Island in the Pacific.
there they can practice whatever they want. |
Agreed, except that what the want is South Carolina. Also agreed that no state should secede.
Quebec has the monopoly on separatism. 
And no, you can't have Nova Scotia. But you can take Bob.
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Puck
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:11 pm |
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| Quote: | Also agreed that no state should secede.
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So you don't think that a state/province has a right to secede?
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Founder
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:12 pm |
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Nope. In a sense it would make us weaker.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:12 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | Also agreed that no state should secede.
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So you don't think that a state/province has a right to secede? |
I believe that that statement was to address not that they don't have the right, but that they shouldn't do so.
I believe that they have the right but shouldn't secede.
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Hitchhiker
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:13 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | Also agreed that no state should secede.
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So you don't think that a state/province has a right to secede? |
Oh, it has the right to secede, but that doesn't mean it should. We have the right of freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean we go around mouthing off to everyone (although some of us do).
The point is, however, I'm sure that there are a lot of South Carolinans who don't want to secede. And besides, secession should be a matter of consensus, and not majority vote.
Plus it wouldn't be economical. Okay, so the state secedes. It is surrounded by a large global superpower! Think of the difficulties in having a small country in the middle of a large global superpower. Running a country is not a lot different from running a state in principle, but in practice you must be much more independent--independent healthcare, independent economy--heck, you'd need your own airline.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:15 pm |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | Also agreed that no state should secede.
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So you don't think that a state/province has a right to secede? |
Oh, it has the right to secede, but that doesn't mean it should. We have the right of freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean we go around mouthing off to everyone (although some of us do).
The point is, however, I'm sure that there are a lot of South Carolinans who don't want to secede. And besides, secession should be a matter of consensus, and not majority vote. |
I...agree!  Good way to put it, my friend!
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Jeremy
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| Founder wrote: | | This is getting kinda weird. It makes me feel like a World religious war will erupt one day. No state should secede. These people don't like it? Then get out of the country! |
Slight problem, where would they go? A bunch of people moved to America to get religious freedom to practice as they wanted a few centuaries ago, but they can't now as everywhere is claimed. I know they won't get their own state, but pity there's nowhere else that they could go.
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| Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:22 pm |
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | This is getting kinda weird. It makes me feel like a World religious war will erupt one day. No state should secede. These people don't like it? Then get out of the country! |
Slight problem, where would they go? A bunch of people moved to America to get religious freedom to practice as they wanted a few centuaries ago, but they can't now as everywhere is claimed. I know they won't get their own state, but pity there's nowhere else that they could go. |
There are tons of places. They should claim an island.
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