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Theresa
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 Mon May 31, 2004 7:45 pm Please explain this to me |
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Why is it considered "ok" to hate Americans? If I were to say something about the French government, and how I think that Chirac is a traitor and a coward, I'd be labelled immediately. But it's totally ok to call Americans bastards, etc... Just today I heard the term, "all knowing Americans", and, "Americans are so full of sh*t", "full of ourselves". But like I said, let an American say something negative, and we are racists, with superiority complexes.
So, explain this to me so I understand. Because all I'm seeing is reverse racism here. I have never done anything to you. My country has never harmed you, and I have never talked sh*t about anyone elses country. Given my opinion, yes. But trashed? No.
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Some are just ignorant. And they don't care who they hurt. In my opinion though.
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yea there seems to be alot of reverse racism now and it is sickening you cant fix past problems by reverseing what happened then, it just creates a new problem....it seems to me that its viewed that americans arent good ppl because we have done things like steal the indain lands and such and we used to discrimina against other races so its bad when we say something bad about others thats just my opinion tho
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| Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:29 am Re: Please explain this to me |
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| Theresa wrote: | Why is it considered "ok" to hate Americans? If I were to say something about the French government, and how I think that Chirac is a traitor and a coward, I'd be labelled immediately. But it's totally ok to call Americans bastards, etc... Just today I heard the term, "all knowing Americans", and, "Americans are so full of sh*t", "full of ourselves". But like I said, let an American say something negative, and we are racists, with superiority complexes.
So, explain this to me so I understand. Because all I'm seeing is reverse racism here. I have never done anything to you. My country has never harmed you, and I have never talked sh*t about anyone elses country. Given my opinion, yes. But trashed? No. |
I'm not sure why. Quite a lot of people here are like that. They don't really like Americans. I personally don't mind them, although I haven't met that many in real life. Sure, you get some bad ones, but all races and nationalities have bad people. I see the person rather than the race. Saying that I am a bit racist towards French people for some reason.
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Theresa
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| Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:03 pm |
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The point was also raised that we never do anything to help anyone else unless it will benefit us.
Read this, something written over 25 years ago, and it wasn't written by an American.
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The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtze. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.
I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.
When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over� has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.
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Puck
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Oh Theresa...stop being ignorant....this is all to hide our ulterior motives.....you should know that by now.  
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All the American's I've met have been nice... one even offered me a job over there, and I'd only just met them on the train!
I dislike Bush's policies, but I can't judge the man really because I haven't met him, only seen him on TV and stuff. I suppose when I say I dislike him I mean I dislike his policies. 
I really should start saying that, shouldn't I?
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The answer to your question is simple T its because they are Spaz's
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:00 pm Re: Please explain this to me |
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| Theresa wrote: | Why is it considered "ok" to hate Americans? If I were to say something about the French government, and how I think that Chirac is a traitor and a coward, I'd be labelled immediately. But it's totally ok to call Americans bastards, etc... Just today I heard the term, "all knowing Americans", and, "Americans are so full of sh*t", "full of ourselves". But like I said, let an American say something negative, and we are racists, with superiority complexes.
So, explain this to me so I understand. Because all I'm seeing is reverse racism here. I have never done anything to you. My country has never harmed you, and I have never talked sh*t about anyone elses country. Given my opinion, yes. But trashed? No. |
I know, huh? Why the heck do they have to do this to us?
It's similar to other situations, however.
Okay, Rush Limbaugh makes a comment about the Media and Donavin McNab of the Philidalphia Eagles. Everyone calls him a racist.
When Hillarry Clinton makes a bad joke about it, NO ONE calls her a racist. Why's that?
And WHY does America have to get this kind of treatment? We are the #1 source of freedom in the world, for cripe's sake!
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | The answer to your question is simple T its because they are Spaz's |
Erm, thanks for that... It's the same thing that T was complaining about in a way, prejudging.
I think the reasons peopel haven't raced to help is because basically America is able to look after itself and afford the stuff, while having a huge amount of people, so they have enough skills there to be able to deal with most or all situations.
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It's the price of our freedom, I guess. The price for being a world power because no matter what happens, America can always be blamed for it, but will still be there for support if anyone comes running to us for help.
Then there's the Poisonwood approach. where we may find out we're just ignorant of other struggles and still think we can save the world. some people may see that as boastful, selfish, too full of our own pride. Just look at the Congo incident.
But in these days, with all the liberal mumbo jumbo going on in the worlx, it's the "underdog" that'll get the bigger one in trouble. It's just the times we live in. and it's crap, but I think there's little we can do but take it, just like we always have.
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Personally i like most American people, but i hate the Government. There are several reasons why i hate the Government but i won't go into them. Up until recently i liked American people, i'd never met one, but i didn't see any reason to dislike them. Then an American moved in next door to us and i must confess i've never met a more arrogant man in my life. If someone parks near his house he'll position his car deliberately so they cant get out, if his space is taken he parks on the pavement and stops people getting past. He starts arguments with the neighbours, took a swing at my dad for no reason, and to top it all off every so often he goes back to America for a month so that he doesn't have to pay tax in England. Now i've met a lot of British people and i've never known anyone to do things like that and thats how i realised how arrogant some Americans can be. Now, i don't dislike all Americans but i wont say i like them until i've met them, even if i know them really well over software such as MSN. I'm not saying all Americans are like this, and i doubt they are, but i now never say that i like all Americans.
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| Quote: | | There are several reasons why i hate the Government but i won't go into them. |
No, I would like to hear your reasons, you brought it up now support yourself.
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Well i kind of feel ashamed over this, but i... well i don't hate... more dislike, americans. I can't put my finger on why thou. Maby it's becouse the think of them selfs as superior, or how the say Europe as if it's a country, or the freaking feet and farenheit-systems... or MTV, or bush and his politics, or all the fast food, or how they get to celibrete 4:th of july and I can't celibrate my country becouse that would bee seen as rasism, or Bill Gates whit his dumbass windows. I don't know. I kind of like it all too. I'd love to visite USa to see the real side of it all.
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| Quote: | | think of them selfs as superior |
I think of our government as superior compared to others.
| Quote: | | how the say Europe as if it's a country. |
Europe is a continent....we do have World Geography classes you know.
| Quote: | | the freaking feet and farenheit-systems |
Yes....kinda dumb, but why does it matter to you?
that I can agree on
| Quote: | | bush and his politics |
Bush is a proper noun, capitalize it.
| Quote: | | how they get to celibrete 4:th of july and I can't celibrate my country becouse that would bee seen as rasism |
Never heard this myth before. I have German ancestry and am very proud to tell people.
| Quote: | | Bill Gates whit his dumbass windows |
dumbass? Or perhaps similar European products cannot compete with it. I think it is a good example of entrepenurship.(sp)
However, thankyou for enlightening us on these reasons....I find most of them trivial, and am suprised to see that there are not more serious reasons that many Europeans are anti-American.[/quote]
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: |
I think of our government as superior compared to others. |
well there u go 
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Europe is a continent....we do have World Geography classes you know. |
Yes but u say it like it's a county, when it's in fact very much diffrent countrys.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | the freaking feet and farenheit-systems |
Yes....kinda dumb, but why does it matter to you? |
There are many tv shows that are american on the swedish tv, and every time they tell a joke or say something, using the feet-system, i go blank. It's sooooo innoing. Why can't we all stay to the universel measurements systems?
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | bush and his politics |
Bush is a proper noun, capitalize it. |
I'm not sure what u are referring to, maby it's my failing english...?
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | how they get to celibrete 4:th of july and I can't celibrate my country becouse that would bee seen as rasism |
Never heard this myth before. I have German ancestry and am very proud to tell people. |
Well yes, i would too, but if you were living in Germany, maby then u wouldn't be as proud to have only german ancestors. U understand my point?
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | Bill Gates whit his dumbass windows |
dumbass? Or perhaps similar European products cannot compete with it. I think it is a good example of entrepenurship.(sp) |
Maby I am kind of jealous, but i'm not sure i'd like it if it was "europeen"
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | However, thankyou for enlightening us on these reasons....I find most of them trivial, and am suprised to see that there are not more serious reasons that many Europeans are anti-American. |
I agree these aren't very good reasons , but the biggest is the politics, and that's a big one.
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the common person doesnt find out all the facts and only goes by what they hear breifly in the news, so they blame America for going to war with iraq without actually knowing all the facts. So thats why i think theres alot of people who hate America.
I cant really say what i think of America, all the Americans i know are really nice people, but i cant make judgement without knowing more.
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| Captain Skyline wrote: | the common person doesnt find out all the facts and only goes by what they hear breifly in the news, so they blame America for going to war with iraq without actually knowing all the facts. So thats why i think theres alot of people who hate America.
I cant really say what i think of America, all the Americans i know are really nice people, but i cant make judgement without knowing more. |
Yea, i think that's a big problem. And i allso think that's one of the biggest reson why so many hate the americans too... Many thinks that americans make statements and draw conclutions whitout all the facts and what they hear on the news, but what they can't see that maby it's the onther way round too...
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Theresa
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| superwoman wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: |
I think of our government as superior compared to others. |
well there u go |
So? That's his opinion. We have a total democracy, no monarch to take $2 million every year for being a figurehead, etc... Having pride in yourself and your country is not a bad thing. Perhaps if more people had more pride in themselves, there wouldn't be this issue.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Europe is a continent....we do have World Geography classes you know. |
| Quote: | | Yes but u say it like it's a county, when it's in fact very much diffrent countrys. |
How do you know how we are referring to it? In what manner? I mean, you, most of you, use Euro's, yes? That right there links you. No one said it takes away your individuality. And I for one am not going to say, "The European Continent" every time I talk of Europe. Talk about PC gone too far. (BTW, South Americans are "Americans", too, yet in a different country, so you saying "Americans" is trivializing them in the same manner you accuse us.)
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | the freaking feet and farenheit-systems |
Yes....kinda dumb, but why does it matter to you? |
| Quote: | | There are many tv shows that are american on the swedish tv, and every time they tell a joke or say something, using the feet-system, i go blank. It's sooooo innoing. Why can't we all stay to the universel measurements systems? |
Yes, isn't that what Hitler was about? Conformity? So what, we use feet, inches, farenheit... Why don't you change to suit us? Or simply do like we do, learn them both. First I hear complaints about comments being made that try to conform Europe into one nation, then I hear something else trying to make the US conform to everyone else. Anyone else see the double standard?
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | bush and his politics |
Bush is a proper noun, capitalize it. |
| Quote: | | I'm not sure what u are referring to, maby it's my failing english...? |
Perhaps the fact that he is a person, and our President, so it wouldn't kill some to write "Bush". (Though Kevin is being a tad anal here, )
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | how they get to celibrete 4:th of july and I can't celibrate my country becouse that would bee seen as rasism |
Never heard this myth before. I have German ancestry and am very proud to tell people. |
| Quote: | | Well yes, i would too, but if you were living in Germany, maby then u wouldn't be as proud to have only german ancestors. U understand my point? |
We won our independence. July 4, Independence Day. Many died for this cause. We honor them, and our country. Civic pride, it really isn't a bad thing.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | Bill Gates whit his dumbass windows |
dumbass? Or perhaps similar European products cannot compete with it. I think it is a good example of entrepenurship.(sp) |
| Quote: | | Maby I am kind of jealous, but i'm not sure i'd like it if it was "europeen" |
No comment on Bill Gates, as I fail to see the relevance.
| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | However, thankyou for enlightening us on these reasons....I find most of them trivial, and am suprised to see that there are not more serious reasons that many Europeans are anti-American. |
| Quote: | | I agree these aren't very good reasons , but the biggest is the politics, and that's a big one. |
Nothing was really said about the politics. Please specify. Is it the aid that we send to other countries that is troubling you? Is it our large military, mainly built of necessity? Our current President and his accent, or his not so unique way of saying "nuclear"? I've seen several posts where people have said that the US has done this to kill people, or supported this person when it was convenient, but now oppose them. I guess once an opinion is formed, it is not permitted to be changed? France used to love our asses, why were they allowed to change their mind, but again, double standard here, the US is not?
I guess that's my whole question. The United States is measured on one yardstick. The rest of the world on the other. But we're supposed to sit here and be happy, and play nice all of the time. Welcome to reality. It doesn't work that way. If you want "equality", it has to include EVERYONE, not just those you deem good enough.
As for the post about the rude American neighbor, I won't bother to tell you about the nasty British guy that lives next door to where I work. Everyone has bad neighbor stories...
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You know, what bothers me is that many of your, to name a few nations so you realize I do know that their are countries that exist within Europe....the major ones that bug me are, the majority of the French, the Italian citizens, the Spanish citizens, the English citizens, and especially the German citizen's and government. What these people all have in common is that they seem to forget that when Europe was a wasteland after World War II, the United States spent our time, our money, our resources, to rebuild western Europe. Don't forget that it was just a half a century ago. We have graves for our soldiers in Europe that fought and died for YOUR freedom, so that YOU could regain control of your government. So the next time any one European goes complaining about America, I ask that they remember what America did for YOU.
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Britain never lost control of it's government, well, not for a few hundred years
I thank the US Veterans of 1940-45 for their help and support during the war, and for the governments since that helped to rebuild Europe. You helped Europe and Britain (I consider them seperate... I've got my own reasons) become what they are today.
As for the imperial system, apart from the fact we've been using it ourselves for hundreds of years, my only complaint is the a lot of Americans don't know what a stone is! (It's 14 lbs). If I say my weight is 10 stone 6, they have no idea what I'm talking about. That's my only real complaint about the American system, although I don't feel their government is superior, like nearly every government it could be improved
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| Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:10 am |
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| Theresa wrote: |
So? That's his opinion. We have a total democracy, no monarch to take $2 million every year for being a figurehead, etc... Having pride in yourself and your country is not a bad thing. Perhaps if more people had more pride in themselves, there wouldn't be this issue.
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U have a precident, and he is fairly good at spending money. + he get all the money he needs when he retire.
| Theresa wrote: | | How do you know how we are referring to it? In what manner? I mean, you, most of you, use Euro's, yes? That right there links you. No one said it takes away your individuality. And I for one am not going to say, "The European Continent" every time I talk of Europe. Talk about PC gone too far. (BTW, South Americans are "Americans", too, yet in a different country, so you saying "Americans" is trivializing them in the same manner you accuse us.) |
NO! We don't all use Euro! And some contrys aren't even in the EU. I don't like the Euro or the EU, and doesn't want to be referd to any of that.
| Theresa wrote: | | Yes, isn't that what Hitler was about? Conformity? So what, we use feet, inches, farenheit... Why don't you change to suit us? Or simply do like we do, learn them both. First I hear complaints about comments being made that try to conform Europe into one nation, then I hear something else trying to make the US conform to everyone else. Anyone else see the double standard? |
(I'm not that good at english, so I don't understand all u say) but the rest of the world uses the meter-system! It's the SI.unit of measurement, why can't we all just get along? But maby that question isn't the biggest one tho...
| Theresa wrote: | | We won our independence. July 4, Independence Day. Many died for this cause. We honor them, and our country. Civic pride, it really isn't a bad thing. |
Yea, ok that's just good for u. I'm just envious of u. Our "day" refer to when the first elected king concered the trone... And he was a mean and ugly king, so we don't have much to celbrate  And if anyone do celibrate, they being cald rasist...
| Theresa wrote: | Nothing was really said about the politics. Please specify. Is it the aid that we send to other countries that is troubling you? Is it our large military, mainly built of necessity? Our current President and his accent, or his not so unique way of saying "nuclear"? I've seen several posts where people have said that the US has done this to kill people, or supported this person when it was convenient, but now oppose them. I guess once an opinion is formed, it is not permitted to be changed? France used to love our asses, why were they allowed to change their mind, but again, double standard here, the US is not?
I guess that's my whole question. The United States is measured on one yardstick. The rest of the world on the other. But we're supposed to sit here and be happy, and play nice all of the time. Welcome to reality. It doesn't work that way. If you want "equality", it has to include EVERYONE, not just those you deem good enough. |
The military thing is the biggest issue... I mean why wanna go to war? The swedish mititary is very small, but we too send aid and military help to those who need it, and no one is angry at us. Well maby u are now... U have build a big wall around your country, and that's what make me angry. The most of the people in the rest of the world IS good people. I'm not a bad person, but if a wanted to come to usa, I'd have to go through all these controles and shlt. In sweden u can visite if u like to, we don't have, or need that wall of yours.
Hope u'll understand
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| Quote: | | As for the post about the rude American neighbor, I won't bother to tell you about the nasty British guy that lives next door to where I work. Everyone has bad neighbor stories... |
I'm not judging all Americans on that one guy, and i hope you won't judge all Brits by the guy you know. I probably shouldn't have posted about him, wasn't really as relavent as it seemed when i was writing it. | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Quote: | | There are several reasons why i hate the Government but i won't go into them. |
No, I would like to hear your reasons, you brought it up now support yourself. |
You know what, now it comes to writing why i hate the American government i cant do it. I've written several points now and deleted them. I think that when it comes down to it the main reason is Bush. He starts this insane quest against terror and starts a war in Iraq because 'they have weapons of mass destruction' which it turns out they don't. In that case shouldn't we all be attacking America? They have the largest stack of weapons of mass destruction, doesnt that make them a target for war? What happens twenty years from now when America is the only major country left with weapons of mass destruction? If someone gets into an argument with the Government all they need to do is launch a few of their weapons and the other country has nothing to retaliate with. The reason i hate American government is because of what Bush is doing, at the moment the American army could probably defeat most, if not all countries in a battle but Bush isn't happy with that..... Anyway i've gone on for too long, suffice it to say that Bush is the reason i hate American government, and the sooner he loses the election the better.
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | they seem to forget that when Europe was a wasteland after World War II, the United States spent our time, our money, our resources, to rebuild western Europe. |
But you are forgetting that the Americans wouldn't join the war until a few of their shps were attacked. They didn't give a damn about Hitler until they were targetted by him. They claimed that after World War I they were firm allies with England, but they weren't good enough allies to help us when we needed them until Germany turned to attack them too.
EDIT: My historical facts are terrible, thank god i dropped history in Y9. I have now been corrected about what did happen so please don't flame me for eing so inaccurate in this post.
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As I understand it, the bombing of Pearl Harbour was planned and carried out by the Japanese, not Hitler. He only declared war on the U.S. because Germany was allied with Japan. And if I remember correctly, the U.S. didn't immediately join the war because the American public at the time were firmly against entering another war which did not directly concern them.
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