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Link, the Hero of Time
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 Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:32 pm 9/11 Panel: No Evidence of Al Qaeda-Iraq Link |
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| Quote: | FOXNews.com
9/11 Panel: No Evidence of Al Qaeda-Iraq Link
Wednesday, June 16, 2004
In a chilling report that sketched the history of Usama bin Laden's network, the commission said his far-flung training camps were "apparently quite good." Terrorists-to-be were encouraged to "think creatively about ways to commit mass murder," it added.
Bin Laden made overtures to Saddam for assistance, the commission said in the staff report, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
While Saddam dispatched a senior Iraqi intelligence official to Sudan (search) to meet with bin Laden in 1994, the commission said it had not turned up evidence of a "collaborative relationship."
The Bush administration has long claimed links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, and cited them as one reason for last year's invasion of Iraq.
On Monday, Vice President Dick Cheney said in a speech that the Iraqi dictator "had long established ties with Al Qaeda."
The bipartisan commission issued its findings as it embarked on two days of public hearings into the worst terrorist attacks in American history.
The panel intends to issue a final report in July on the hijackings on Sept. 11, 2001 that killed nearly 3,000, destroyed the World Trade Centers in New York and damaged the Pentagon outside Washington. A fourth plane commandeered by terrorists crashed in the countryside in Pennsylvania.
The staff report pieced together information on the development of bin Laden's network, from the far-flung training camps in Afghanistan and elsewhere, to funding from "well-placed financial facilitators and diversions of funds from Islamic charities."
Reports that bin Laden had a huge personal fortune to finance acts of terror are overstated, the report said.
The description of the training camp operations contained elements of faint, grudging praise.
"A worldwide jihad needed terrorists who could bomb embassies or hijack airliners, but it also needed foot soldiers for the Taliban in its war against the Northern Alliance (search), and guerrillas who could shoot down Russian helicopters in Chechnya or ambush Indian units in Kashmir," it said.
According to one unnamed senior Al Qaeda associate, various ideas were floated by mujahadeen in Afghanistan, the commission said.
The options included taking over a launcher and forcing Russian scientists to fire a nuclear missile at the United States, mounting mustard gas or cyanide attacks against Jewish areas in Iraq or releasing poison gas into the air conditioning system of a targeted building.
"Last but not least, hijacking an aircraft and crashing it into an airport or nearby city," it said.
The Iraq connection long suggested by administration officials gained no currency in the report.
"Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded," the report said.
"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda also occurred" after bin Laden moved his operations to Afghanistan in 1996, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," it said.
"Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between Al Qaeda and Iraq," the report said.
In a separate report, the commission staff said that senior Al Qaeda planner Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (search) initially proposed a Sept. 11 attack involving 10 planes. An expanded target list included the CIA and FBI headquarters, unidentified nuclear plants and tall buildings in California and Washington state.
That ambitious plan was rejected by bin Laden, who ultimately approved a scaled-back mission involving four planes, the report said. Mohammed wanted more hijackers for those planes � 25 or 26, instead of 19.
The commission has identified at least 10 Al Qaeda operatives who were to participate but could not take part for reasons including visa problems and suspicion by officials at airports in the United States and overseas.
From a seamless operation, the report portrays a plot riven by internal dissent, including disagreement over whether to target the White House or the Capitol that was apparently never resolved prior to the attacks.
Bin Laden also had to overcome opposition to attacking the United States from Mullah Omar (search), leader of the former Taliban regime, who was under pressure from Pakistan to keep Al Qaeda confined.
The United States toppled the regime in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, but Omar has eluded capture, as has Al Qaeda. |
That puts a big hurt on Bush's credability
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:18 pm |
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Okay, I don't agree with the commission.
Saddam DID give aide to terrorists.
When, oh I forget his name (I'll try to find it), but a very, VERY high up terrorist in Al Queda (Al Zawahiri, I think) was greatly injured, Saddam brought him back to his feet and sent him off with aide.
He also supported terrorists in other ways.
Sure, he had no connection to 9/11, that was proven, but that doesn't mean he wasn't connected to Al Queda. It's been shown that he was.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:03 am |
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Again, here it goes. First of all Don't believe what media says, cause most of the media are liberals and they want to turn things around to make Bush look bad. Yes, Saddam did give aid. I agree with RM.
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NewWorldOrder
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:53 am |
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Kmma most of the Republcans are Skull And Bone Freemasons..whats your point?
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NewWorldOrder
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:55 am |
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its fun seeing the Liberal fREEMASON AND THE rEBULICAN fREEMASONS FIGHT.....THE MORE FIGHTING THE LESS THEy AGREE THE LONGER IT TAKES FOR THE ILLUMINITI to START. GREAT WORK BUSH KEEP IT UP! hopefully the rest of his skull and bone chums from Yale wont kill him.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:09 pm |
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Okay, it has been PROVEN that there was a link between Saddam and Al Queda. Now, that does NOT mean that it was a COLABORATIVE link, I doubt that there was a COLABORATIVE LINK, but as Kmma said, you canNOT trust the media. They, primarily the newspapers and CNN, are spinning it to say as though there was NO LINK. That's simply a LIE.
And you know, I find it interesting how the Democrats give Saddam the benefit of the doubt before they give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Why is that?
ANSWER: Because they want Bush out of office so badly.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:17 pm |
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Please don't personally attack other users, thank you.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:45 pm |
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I love all of these "comissions" and "committees". Bunch of *beep*. So easy to sit back, with plenty of time, and critique those who did the best they could under extreme duress. Bunch of damn losers.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:13 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Okay, it has been PROVEN that there was a link between Saddam and Al Queda. Now, that does NOT mean that it was a COLABORATIVE link, I doubt that there was a COLABORATIVE LINK, but as Kmma said, you canNOT trust the media. They, primarily the newspapers and CNN, are spinning it to say as though there was NO LINK. That's simply a LIE.
And you know, I find it interesting how the Democrats give Saddam the benefit of the doubt before they give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Why is that?
ANSWER: Because they want Bush out of office so badly.
You know who else is spinning the story? Link, the Hero of Time. Let's make him be our official Liberal spinner!!! |
1. This was NOT DONE BY THE MEDIA OR DEMOCRATS! This was said by the 9/11 commission. You know, that Committee of people BUSH created.
| According to http://www.9-11commission.gov/ wrote: | | The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks. |
2. I expect an apology for What you have said. first: Do NOT label me. You do not know me, and I do NOT spin stories. Second: On everything I post I give CREDABLE EVIDENCE AND SOURCES.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:27 pm |
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I am not gonna attack but giving source what media gives out really is not trustworhty i am not saying you are not trustworhy, but the media is not trustworthy. I will not believe what media says.
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| Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:53 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | Okay, it has been PROVEN that there was a link between Saddam and Al Queda. Now, that does NOT mean that it was a COLABORATIVE link, I doubt that there was a COLABORATIVE LINK, but as Kmma said, you canNOT trust the media. They, primarily the newspapers and CNN, are spinning it to say as though there was NO LINK. That's simply a LIE.
And you know, I find it interesting how the Democrats give Saddam the benefit of the doubt before they give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Why is that?
ANSWER: Because they want Bush out of office so badly.
You know who else is spinning the story? Link, the Hero of Time. Let's make him be our official Liberal spinner!!! |
1. This was NOT DONE BY THE MEDIA OR DEMOCRATS! This was said by the 9/11 commission. You know, that Committee of people BUSH created.
| According to http://www.9-11commission.gov/ wrote: | | The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks. |
2. I expect an apology for What you have said. first: Do NOT label me. You do not know me, and I do NOT spin stories. Second: On everything I post I give CREDABLE EVIDENCE AND SOURCES. |
You are right, Link. I truly do apologize.
But what I'm saying is that the media IS spinning. The commission said that there was no COLABORATIVE link between Al Queda and Iraq, particularly pertaining to 9/11. However, the Lberal MEDIA is spinning it to make it seem that there was little to NO link between the two, and that is just a flat out lie. The media IS spinning the results.
| Quote: | | This was NOT DONE BY THE MEDIA OR DEMOCRATS! This was said by the 9/11 commission. You know, that Committee of people BUSH created. |
2nd, that is true, but that does NOT mean that it hasn't become partisan. So there you go.
(P.S: It is my opinion that virtually all Liberals Spin, but I still do appologize, primarily for saying that YOU are the spinner. I am sorry and will delete that part of my post. Yet that's not the point--since the media spins and so many people trust the media 95-100% of the time, THEY spin as well, and it just so happens that since the media is liberal and the liberals trust the media so much that they spin. Then again, that's my belief, as well as MANY others.)
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