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Theresa
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 Mon May 31, 2004 9:16 pm Iraq vs Post WWII Germany |
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| Quote: | Iraq Today Vs. Postwar Germany: James Taranto found something I've been looking for all over the web, info about casualties and resistance in post WW2 Germany. Contrary to what the hysterical anti-war lefties would have you believe, the fact that we're seeing resistance is nothing new. Here's some info on the Nazi Werewolf guerilla movement that you probably haven't heard before...
"The Werewolves specialised in ambushes and sniping, and took the lives of many Allied and Soviet soldiers and officers -- perhaps even that of the first Soviet commandant of Berlin, General N.E. Berzarin, who was rumoured to have been waylaid in Charlottenburg during an incident in June 1945. Buildings housing Allied and Soviet staffs were favourite targets for Werewolf bombings; an explosion in the Bremen police headquarters, also in June 1945, killed five Americans and thirty-nine Germans. Techniques for harassing the occupiers were given widespread publicity through Werewolf leaflets and radio propaganda, and long after May 1945 the sabotage methods promoted by the Werewolves were still being used against the occupying powers.
Although the Werewolves originally limited themselves to guerrilla warfare with the invading armies, they soon began to undertake scorched-earth measures and vigilante actions against German `collaborators' or `defeatists'. They damaged Germany's economic infrastructure, already battered by Allied bombing and ground fighting, and tried to prevent anything of value from falling into enemy hands. Attempts to blow up factories, power plants or waterworks occasionally provoked melees between Werewolves and desperate German workers trying to save the physical basis of their employment, particularly in the Ruhr and Upper Silesia.
Several sprees of vandalism through stocks of art and antiques, stored by the Berlin Museum in a flak tower at Friedrichshain, caused millions of dollars worth of damage and cultural losses of inestimable value...."
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Loving that last line, 
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Puck
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| Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:59 pm |
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Hmm, suprise suprise, no one has post in here. After watching Patton last night, I was wondering about whether they had this kind of stuff happening. Thanks for the material T, will be very usful when debating liberals.
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Captain Dappet
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:52 pm |
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Haven't heard of this before, but it doesn't suprise me a bit.
Most populations tend to resist against invaders.
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Theresa
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:54 pm |
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 Typical.
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Puck
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:01 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Haven't heard of this before, but it doesn't suprise me a bit.
Most populations tend to resist against invaders. |
OK everyone, get this in your head, Americans are not invaders...we are LIBERATORS!
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Theresa
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:08 pm |
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Kevin, get this through your head. It matters not if the US was asked to help. It matters not if it was your life that was saved by the US. It matters not if the US took out a tyrant who was bent on destroying his neighbors, as well as his own people, we are all bastards, and that's all there is to it.
Like in WWII. We were among the last nations to enter that conflict, but who is cast as the villian? I'll give you one guess.
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Captain Dappet
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:27 pm |
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Hitler. America hasn't been named a villain in WW2 by anyone I've seen.
And if I'm not mistaken, and invader is a foreign force going into another country and fighting the "natives", regardless if their intention is to liberate or conquer.
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Theresa
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:35 pm |
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Yes, we have been villianized, repeatedly. (re: WWII)
And explain this to me. The government is oppressing you. You, and your countrymen cannot do a hell of a lot about it. You ask for foreign help. You help said foreign help to defeat your government, making you free. The foreign help is invaders?
So who "invaded" the US in the 1700's? The British, or France?
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:45 pm |
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I wouldn't know...Don't know much about American history, I'm afraid.
And yes, the foreign help are invaders. Liberators to me, but all in all, still invaders, strange as it sounds.
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Theresa
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:51 pm |
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In the 1700's we were called "The Colonies". Part of Britain. We were treated pretty shoddily. The whole, "taxation without representation", etc...
We seceded. Britain (England), did not take that very well. France came to our aid.
In that situation, which of them were the "invaders"?
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:08 pm |
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The French, logically, as it was still British land...It was British land, right? Just to be sure.
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Theresa
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:15 pm |
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Not entirely. There were many Scots, Irish, etc... And we had formally seceded. England sent troops. The French were there by invitation, the English were not. So even though we do not consider the French the invaders, we are to take the definition you gave, and call them that anyway? The French were our defenders, our liberators, as Kevin says. It was American soil.
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:25 pm |
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Ah, then the English are invaders. But I do not think the Iraqis invited America to free them...I havent heard something as such, at least.
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Puck
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:34 pm |
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I doubt that that would be a logical thing to do.....Saddam wouldn't have been to happy.
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Theresa
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:39 pm |
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Iraqi people did ask for help. Those who had managed to get out, especially. (Most still had family there). And some of SH's own children defected to the US. Must've been because he was such a loving, caring man.
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| Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:40 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Iraqi people did ask for help. Those who had managed to get out, especially. (Most still had family there). And some of SH's own children defected to the US. Must've been because he was such a loving, caring man. |
lol "loving, caring man"
And yes, many DID ask for aide.
And here's another thing: After World War I, we did not help Germany get back on its feet, and what happened?--Hitler rose out of the ashes.
Now we removed a ruthless dictator, but if we leave now, another will come...
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Pan13
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| Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:21 am |
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i didn't understand the text, my english is too bad for it 
what did it say about the WW2 in germany? (for me it's interesting, i'm from germany)
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Puck
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| Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:29 am |
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Are you talking about the artice Theresa posted?
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Jeremy
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| Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:17 pm |
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She said that Iraq is like Germany after the second world war. There was a group of Nazi's left after the war called the Werewolfs that attacked people that helped the Americans, British and Soviets, as well as the other Allied countries. Then she gave things of what they did.
The last line is saying that even though the world changes, the same things keep happening.
Hope that helps. Ich spreche eine kleine deutch, but not enough to translate.
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Pan13
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| Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:56 am |
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| Jeremy wrote: | She said that Iraq is like Germany after the second world war. There was a group of Nazi's left after the war called the Werewolfs that attacked people that helped the Americans, British and Soviets, as well as the other Allied countries. Then she gave things of what they did.
The last line is saying that even though the world changes, the same things keep happening.
Hope that helps. Ich spreche eine kleine deutch, but not enough to translate. |
thanks, that helped.
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