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Theresa
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 Thu Jun 06, 2002 11:39 am Israel/Palestine |
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What do you all think of this? Personally I think that the PLO are a bunch of cowards. How many homicide bombers have the sent? How many innocent civilians, even children have been killed? Israel retaliated yet again, but by going after a military target. (If the White House is, Arafats house is). Like has been said, Arafat keeps "condemning" the actions of the PLO, but what is he doing to stop it? Every country has it's radical extremists, but they aren't all doing this.
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Mulder
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| Thu Jun 06, 2002 11:43 am |
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I agree but how can we justify what the Israelians did? They stole the country from the Palastines I think they should give the land back and find their own country.
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Theresa
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| Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:05 pm |
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| Mulder wrote: | | I agree but how can we justify what the Israelians did? They stole the country from the Palastines I think they should give the land back and find their own country. |
Both sides claim that the land is theirs. There's no real evidence either way.
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Mulder
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| Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:07 pm |
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Both sides claim that the land is theirs. There's no real evidence either way.[/quote]
The Jews say they lived there before Christ was born but the odd thing is that archeologists never found any prove for that so basically they've stolen the country.
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Theresa
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| Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:15 pm |
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| Mulder wrote: |
The Jews say they lived there before Christ was born but the odd thing is that archeologists never found any prove for that so basically they've stolen the country. |
Isn't it amazing, how you, a sixteen year old from the Netherlands, has answered a question that several governments have been researching for decades. Perhaps you ought to call them up and tell them you've found the solution.
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Aslan
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| Thu Jun 06, 2002 8:24 pm |
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They are brothers who have been at odds for thousands of years, Ishmael and Isaac. It just seems like a conflict that will always be, until the end?, Armegedon? I don`t think there will ever be any easy answers there. The conflict is too old and deep seated. The land really does belong to both of them and it`s so small when you look at it on a map.
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Mulder
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| Fri Jun 07, 2002 2:46 am |
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I don't agree, the Israelians just stole the country from the Palestines in 1946. Does the bible justify this useless violence? Just because the bible syas it belongs to the people of Israel? I don't think so, the bible speaks about love, not violence.
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Aslan
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| Fri Jun 07, 2002 4:52 pm Israel/ palestine |
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I don`t disagree with you about the violence. About stealing a country? I don`t know. Where should the Jews have gone? Many of them fled to Palestine to escape Hitler`s atrocities. They had been driven out of their country. Was that right? I have heard the argument that there is no proof archeologically speaking, that Israel ever occuopied this territory. That`s just not true. There have been many archeological finds, even ancient documents that point to the Jews having been there . Wouldn`t you want to go back to your homeland if you could; esp. if you were being persecuted in the lands that you were living in? I went to Infoplease.com-Israel to find out more about the history of Israel and Palestine because I `m certainly no expert. It was very enlightening.
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Los
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| Fri Jun 07, 2002 6:48 pm |
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Hmm...
Israel and Palestine have their claims to the land. The UN has granted them land for their own nation but do you think that when they get their small nation, they'll be content?
PROBABLY NOT.
Key reason is that the palestinians believe that Jerusalem is their holy land, as in following their religion, Islam. Ironically, the Muslim capital or maybe just as well, is Mecca, somewhere I believe in Saudi Arabia. But at any rate, the fight really isn't over land of their own... Its about who controls Jerusalem.
The bombings would be a lot less if the PLO had control over the capital city. And the terrorists all over the world would find another justification to attack the US.
Give the PLO land and we'll stop bombing? I think not.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jun 07, 2002 7:26 pm |
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| Mulder wrote: | | I don't agree, the Israelians just stole the country from the Palestines in 1946. Does the bible justify this useless violence? Just because the bible syas it belongs to the people of Israel? I don't think so, the bible speaks about love, not violence. |
I find your posts on this subject amusing and uninformed. First you state, as a fact, that no archaeological evidence has been found to substantiate the Jews claims. The Church of the Nativity, does this sound familiar to you? It should, if you pay attention to world events. This is based in the Bible, and it supports the Jews claims. And the tomb of Jesus has also been located. Yet another archeaological find that supports the Jews.
Second, you say that the Bible speaks about love. Apperently you have not read it. The Bible contains love, action, war, witchcraft and many more things. It is several books w/ in a book.
And the correct terminology is "Isrealis", not "Israelians". You need to stop posting your ideology as fact. Everyone else is managing to make clear that what they post is their opinion. Like I said, governments for decades have been working on this. You, a sixteen year old boy, from the Netherlands, and obviously uninformed, (because of some of your statements), are not the authority on this subject, and you need to make it clear that those statements are your opinion. If you can't manage that, I'll edit each one to say that it is your opinion. I won't change what you said, but across the bottom there will be a disclaimer. I have repeatedly, in private, tried to get you to acknowledge this situation, so here's hoping that it works this time.
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Theresa
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| Mulder wrote: | | I agree but how can we justify what the Israelians did? They stole the country from the Palastines I think they should give the land back and find their own country. |
Just one more thing, I LOVE how it's said the Isreali's stole the land.
Do you know just how they did this? They took six inch pipes and aimed them over a wall, the Syrians thought they were Howitzers. 200,000 Jews drove off 200 MILLION Syrians. With .45 caliber hand pistols, against TANKS! Israeli soldiers were firing at the tanks, the bullets would ricochet, and catch the bushes on fire, then the Syrians were jumping out of their tanks, fleeing.
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Anti-crombie1
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i think all of the BS fighting isnt going to get them anywhere, i think if they tryed they could both live there and make something of the place, from what i've seen of pictures and stuff on the news about that place, its just sand, rocks and people throwing rocks  but they've been fighting with each other for so long they'll never be able to settle all of there diffrences, they'll still hate each other in the future just because there parents, grand parents and great grand parents said that the other side are bad people.
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Theresa
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| Anti-crombie1 wrote: | | i think all of the BS fighting isnt going to get them anywhere, i think if they tryed they could both live there and make something of the place, from what i've seen of pictures and stuff on the news about that place, its just sand, rocks and people throwing rocks but they've been fighting with each other for so long they'll never be able to settle all of there diffrences, they'll still hate each other in the future just because there parents, grand parents and great grand parents said that the other side are bad people. |
I agree, even their languages are virtually the same.
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there obviously good at pitching, they show off all the time with stones, they should make a baseball team and call themselves the stone throwers, but i guess it would be hard throwing at a base when your use to hitting people, cars and whatever else is in the way
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Dr. Jetrel
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they should jsut stop fighting the only problem is sharon and arrafat 
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Captian Janeway
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| Thu Sep 05, 2002 5:13 pm |
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They are both wrong. The lands shoud go the Palistines because before WW2 that where they lived and the wolrd kicked them out of there homes and gave it to the Jews because everybody was so guilty because we didnt do anything about the death camps. But the way the Palistines are handling there way is WRONG! suicde bombs are wrong and the LEADER is a TERROSIST!
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Theresa
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| Thu Sep 05, 2002 7:22 pm |
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| Captian Janeway wrote: | | They are both wrong. The lands shoud go the Palistines because before WW2 that where they lived and the wolrd kicked them out of there homes and gave it to the Jews because everybody was so guilty because we didnt do anything about the death camps. But the way the Palistines are handling there way is WRONG! suicde bombs are wrong and the LEADER is a TERROSIST! |
The issue isn't who had the land b4 WWII, it's who had it much before that.
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Scapegoat Bob
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| Mon Sep 16, 2002 7:41 pm |
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We agree.
*trying to sound like we're up on current events, 
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Kylon
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| Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:37 pm My Opinion |
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I don't care who you consider "right" or who you consider "wrong" I am going to support the Jews no matter how many Facts that are supposedly dug up.
You see even if they had have dug up facts people like you would probaly say "They planted it, it was'nt real ect ect..." The fact of the matter is you and a bunch of other europeans have made up your mind not to like the Jews because you feel guilty for what happened in WWII. You feel like you did a bad thing but in order for you not to feel any pain at all yet retain your emotional abilities, you project that the Jews were bad in your minds. In a sort of way to protect yourself from any guilt whatsoever, Plus europe has been Anti-semite from before the war anyway...
Maquis I think we should'nt waste time arguing to people with deaf ears.
They've made up there mind. They won't change it. I don't blame them its the same way over here. Except we SUPPORT the Jews. We are not going to change that perspective. Just like you will never blame the palestianans for the problems in the middle east. Unless the arabs drop a nuke in your home town, you probaly won't care.
Anyway just to let you know, THE ARAB TERRORIST have conducted terrorist attacks in Germany, And in the U.K.
I don't remember exactly but I think they tried to gas parliment or something I remember some sort of terrorist attack was conducted against the british.
Anyway I don't think you realize what kind of wacko's we are dealing with.
Luckily there moronic wacko's but they are still wacko's
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Pah-Wraith
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When I was in Kuwait this year there was a lot of difference from every other year i was there as there were billboards with messages such as "Coke is for Jews, Pepsi is for Arabs" whenever i went into a shop there were signs saying "theifs and liars are not allowed in this shop ,Isralies are both" i even got asked if i was American,Jewish or English by a lot of people thankfully i replied I'm Scottish I got much the same treatment from the Arabs working for my dad in egypt so I am annoyed that just cause the western world has strengthened Israels hand that we have become targets to many Arab countries, What scared me even more was when i was speaking to my best friend in kuwait, Mohammed he told at first he was happy about the september 11 news but then he realised what had really happened to the Morale of america and the victims he also said there were celebrations (Quite scary) so I doubt this situation makes things easier with our current diplomatic status with the Arab nations 
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alisa_2002000
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Wasn't Isreal the promised land to the jews, in the Bible exodus Moses leads them from Egypt to Isreal. Oh god i don't know just ignore me.
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Mulder
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| Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:42 am |
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| alisa_2002000 wrote: | Wasn't Isreal the promised land to the jews, in the Bible exodus Moses leads them from Egypt to Isreal. Oh god i don't know just ignore me.
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True, the jews killed the ancesters of the Palastinians and took the country
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alisa_2002000
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| Sun Oct 13, 2002 6:58 am |
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^ i don't remember reading that part
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| Sun Oct 13, 2002 2:16 pm |
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Sure that would be nice, but our world is so far from that.
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