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Kylon Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 292 Location: In a distant galaxy far far away...
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Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:36 pm Warp drive is possible... |
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Okay, what's the main problem with warp drive?
What is warp drive?
compressing space/time then going over it, then decompressing space time, so you can move faster than the speed of light.
How can we effect space time?
Gravity-
Currently, nobody knows how to minipulate gravity other than moving things, but I have an idea.
In "The universe in a nutshell", Stephen Hawking describes how time travel is impossible except on a microscopic levels in certain conditions where electrons have been known to go back in time in some specific conditions(although I forgot what those conditions were). Anyway, the important part is that something can go back in time.
If this is true, that means that it could be possible to temporarily increase the amount of mass/gravity in a specific period of time, by barrowing(or taking) an electron from the future and placing him back in the past, so that there would be two/more electrons at a given place in time for what would have been one electron.
That would increase the amount of gravity, and once one can manipulate gravity, so long as someone has a sufficient power source, one could(my opinion) easily create a warp drive, as well as a number of other interstellar gizmos.
My thoughts
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m021 Lieutenant
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 218
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:58 am |
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Interesting!
Maybe you should study science or something, and after that go work for NASA.
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voyager123456789 Lieutenant
Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 175 Location: Alpha Quardrant
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:30 am |
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OH, warp drive: they will create a warp field that shoots them into subspace.....
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EnsignChris Freshman Cadet
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 8 Location: England
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Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:28 pm how do impulse engines work ? |
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can u tell me how impulse engines work im confused about them
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Mustkillbret Rear Admiral
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Here and There, Mostly There
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Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:10 pm Re: how do impulse engines work ? |
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EnsignChris wrote: | can u tell me how impulse engines work im confused about them |
im not sure, i think they just... push the ship by pushing energy out of the back, thats probably wrong though, one problem with the proposed warp engine, the ship would be ripped apart, you'd be sub-molecular goo before you got to 1c sorry.
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Whitehero Senior Cadet
Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 28 Location: New Brunswick, Canada
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Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:21 pm |
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Warp drive is based on the idea that you create a warp field or bubble around the ship/object and thisin turn allows space to be bent around the bubble. Ex: Think of a golf ball as the bubble and a hose as space. When you try and force the golf ball through the hose, the hose has to 'warp' or deform around the ball inorder for it to pass through. Except with space, when it slides off the back end of the bubble, it produces a thrusting effect, like if you were to take the same golf ball and squeeze it between your finger and thumb at the bottom of the ball, it would be squeezed from your grasp.
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At least, that's how I see it. I could be wrong and probably am.
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Mustkillbret Rear Admiral
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Here and There, Mostly There
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:43 am |
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The Space Infront Of The Ship is Squashed (ill try and make an illustration using symbols) and the space behind the ship is streched, the space infront is sucked behind the ship, and the ship is pushed forwards, propelling it through space
________ -------- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
________ -------- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
_[space]_ [SHIP] /\/\/\[space]\/\/\
________ -------- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
________ -------- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:02 am |
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well one of the rules in phyics is as mass altcerates mass requires more energy and since warp one is the speed of light then that would mean the you would need infinate energy just for warp one
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Five - seveN Rear Admiral
Joined: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 3567 Location: Shadow Moon
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Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:36 pm |
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Actually Mustkillbret is right. The space in front of the ship is compressed and the space behind it is stretched out so that it seems to go forward. But it can travel above c because it's not actually moving! It's only pushed "forward" by a deformation in space time! If you would be right next to the ship when the warp drive is energized, you wouldn't see it moving. I hope this explains things abit.
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Solitary Poet Captain
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 805 Location: Lancaster (Dallas), Texas
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:48 pm |
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uhh.......
i like how you used symbols to show the ship.
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The_Sisko Commander
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 356 Location: Columbia NX-02
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:48 am Re: how do impulse engines work ? |
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EnsignChris wrote: | can u tell me how impulse engines work im confused about them |
Impluse engines work similar to rockets in space.
They produce a burst of energy which gives the ship, foward momentum and the ship basically glides through space cuz there is nothin to slow it down.
The early version of impulse drive exists now. It has a constant power supply and on earth it would only have to power to move a piece of paper, but the cercumstances are different in space.
This technology has been equipped to a satelite a few months ago.
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:48 pm |
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how does it get propelled in space?
FYI i mean like a rocket it uses fire what do implues engines do?
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:35 am |
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Both rockets and "impulse engines" work by shooting mass out in one direction at high speed in order to create thrust in the opposite direction. A basic rule of rocketry is that both the efficiency of your engines and their maximum speed goes up with exhaust temperature. "Impulse engines" would use fusion to create really hot exhaust (a billion degrees or more).
NASA is developing a plasma engine which already operates at around 180 million degrees.
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Solitary Poet Captain
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 805 Location: Lancaster (Dallas), Texas
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Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:30 am |
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Remember when NASA tested that new Ion-Drive on the probe Deep Space 1 and the entire thing was foiled because of a single piece of dust that got between the ionization plates short-circuiting the whole thing. Of course the sun had to go and screw things by fixing the problem. As Deep Space 1 rotated the suns heat caused the plates to expand and contract with each rotation thus working the piece of dust out so the next day when they decided to give it one last go before abandoning the project it worked perfectly (Drat!) and they had to call everybody back to work. They�re even planning to use Ion-Drive on Deep Space 4.
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gamma flyer Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 31
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:31 pm |
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warp drive would be possable but fist u would have to be able to contain the anti matter so that it don't distroy all the mater
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Solitary Poet Captain
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 805 Location: Lancaster (Dallas), Texas
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:47 pm |
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You don't actually need anti-matter for warp-drive just a powerful energy sorce. The Warrantor Ship Zingara used a fusion-reactor and the Romuluns use sustained temporal anomalies to power their warp-drives.
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:21 pm |
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Solitary Poet wrote: | Remember when NASA tested that new Ion-Drive on the probe Deep Space 1 and the entire thing was foiled because of a single piece of dust that got between the ionization plates short-circuiting the whole thing. Of course the sun had to go and screw things by fixing the problem. As Deep Space 1 rotated the suns heat caused the plates to expand and contract with each rotation thus working the piece of dust out so the next day when they decided to give it one last go before abandoning the project it worked perfectly (Drat!) and they had to call everybody back to work. They�re even planning to use Ion-Drive on Deep Space 4. |
I'm confused. Are you for or against NASA? How about ion drive?
BTW, there is a plasma drive already in development, and we are much closer to sustained fusion than most people know.
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m021 Lieutenant
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 218
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Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:07 am |
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webtaz99 wrote: | BTW, there is a plasma drive already in development |
Cool! Do you have a link to a website about that?
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:23 am |
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I haven't found a web site inside of nasa.gov following day-to-day activities, but here is a good overview.
http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs/Sep01/MSC23041.html
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m021 Lieutenant
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 218
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Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:55 pm |
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Hmm, that's a complicated story. But very interesting! Thanx.
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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starnova Commodore
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1544 Location: Commodore on the USS Farraget
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Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:08 pm |
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but how would a ship turn into a star trek one with that fancy warp drive
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