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PrankishSmart
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: | | A law will never make special allowances for religion. Everyone is bound by the same law. |
Well, that's not entirely true. What I mean is, I'm 16 and I have younger siblings and all three of us are able to go to church every Sunday and drink wine. There is an exception made in the law for Catholicism and other faiths that might use that.
While it's the case for the most part, there are exceptions due to the doctrines of certain (valid) religions and whatnot. (I say valid because I'm not talking about some wacko cult with 20 members who wants to call themselves a religion and have group sex or something for "onenes," something I read somewhere, lol.) |
Ok my bad I don't know other countries every single law, even then that sounds like one of those laws made a very long time ago and just hasn't been changed. Not like you could get legless on a bit of wine though.
Law here on alcohol is no one under 18 to purchase alcohol. I think under 18 can drink some types of beverages during family dinners etc under supervision.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:35 am |
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Well, the law in the US is 21 years of age for the perchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages, but there is an exception for religious reasons (i.e. Catholic Communion).
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PrankishSmart
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| Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:10 am |
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I'm a bit confused about what you're saying. Are you saying people under 21 there are able to purchase alcohol only for religious purposes, or it is brought for them for religious purposes? How does this work out exactly? Why do people under 21 consume alcohol in a church? I'm just curious.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:15 am |
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Well, I only know about the Catholic faith, so I'll speak to that.
Roman Catholic mass involves the consumption of wine which is, according to religious doctrine, the "blood of Christ" himself. It is a practice to consume, during Communion, wine, preceeded by a type of thin bread (the "body of Christ") as commemoration of the Last Supper.
Because it is Catholic practice to have a sip of wine in church for communion, the law permits anyone who has received their First Communion (usually age 7 or 8/2nd grade) to consume a sip of wine at church, essentially making an exception for religious purposes. Make sense?
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teya
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| Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:09 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Well, the law in the US is 21 years of age for the perchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages, but there is an exception for religious reasons (i.e. Catholic Communion). |
Actually not true--states differ in their laws regarding underage consumption. In California, underage purchase is illegal, but underage consumption isn't explicitly prohibited. In other words, you can't buy it, but you can drink it. However, it's illegal for someone to *furnish* alcohol to minors, so there's a gray area where intent comes in. In practice, a parent would not be arrested for giving a glass of wine to a kid with dinner. However, if same parent bought a keg for a teenager's party, they'd face charges. There are no religious exemptions specifically written into the law.
Some states have location exemptions--minors can consume alcohol at home under the guidance of a family member (defined by law differently depending on the state). It's one of those areas of the law where the authority falls to the states, not the federal govt.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:40 pm |
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Ah, I understand. Thanks for the clarification, Teya 
But everyone knows Catholics consume wine at mass, therefore there is a full-blown exception nation-wide for sips of wine at church, no?
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teya
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | But everyone knows Catholics consume wine at mass, therefore there is a full-blown exception nation-wide for sips of wine at church, no? |
No, there isn't. Likely because the amount of alcohol consumed at Mass isn't an issue--it's too small to get drunk, no matter how small you are.
Federal laws on underage sale, furnishing and consumption are related to interstate commerce, highway funding, and consumption on federal property--military bases, national parks, etc.
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WeAz
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| Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:27 pm |
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Yeah. Because a single sip makes no one drunk.
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PrankishSmart
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| Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:00 am |
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That sounds like I thought it would be. I was doubting that the law would have special allowances like that for religion and the subject of small amount of alcohol consumption for underage children a grey area. The point I was making is religion is not under attack and should never be. The same should also be said for freedom of speech.
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Republican_Man
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Well, I would still say that there are exceptions because even if it is a single sip, it technically is against the law in a great many states for any kind of underage consumption of alcohol, and yet the government knows full-well of the Catholic practices regarding it; therefore, it seems as though an exception is made.
And your point did not get across well, PrankishSmart, because the facts of the case prove that religion is under attack in America. Maybe it isn't in your home country, but it is here. That much is clear.
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