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Link, the Hero of Time
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 Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:45 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
1. Did I ever say that that was MY opinion? No. I was just saying what I thought she was saying. |
It was a general "you" not ment for any one person
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 2. She WAS being rehabilitated, but he pulled her away, and that made it so that it couldn't happen again. |
Read the autopsy reports. She Could not be rehabilitated, to many Neurons were lost and her brain was half the size a normal adults brainsize should be. There was no chance of her ever being rehabilitated.
| Republican_Man wrote: | 3. President Bush was NOT a bringer of meaningless deaths. Plus, we did NOT know what her wishes were. It was the wishes of a man that no longer wanted to take care of his wife. If they were her wishes, then she would have been killed in the 90s, but he waited until THEN to say something  |
Explain the deaths in Iraq. And try to do so using practical and logical means, none of this "He was a threat." opinion stuff. Bring hard facts into the answer backed up with reports. This means that any speculation of WMD's is automatically forfeit.
And again, we do not know her wishes, we never will, BUT the burden of proof was on the parents and other to prove that those were not her wishes. They failed in doing so. Until you can prove that they weren't, regardless of the time, it is just and unsubstanciated opinion and cannot be used in an argument.
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Founder
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| Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:58 am |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | You mostly damned the democrats for not ok'ing a bill for the government to get involved in someone's personal affairs.
I dont ignore the fact, But it's mostly because you people keep briniging it up. Trying to cover the fact that you were wrong? oh, and Not as badly as you constantly ignore the fact that there was no way she was going to be rehabilitated.  |
What are you babbling about? I never said I supported the gov. getting involved in the case now did I? I never said she could be rehibilitated either. Wow you're good with stereotyping.
I simply KNEW this man was not going to kill her because he wanted to send "his wife to a better place because he KNEW she wasn't going to be rehabilitated in any way."
Thats a lie. He didn't do it to "ease her suffering".
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | The other person sent thousands to their meaningless deaths. |
Meaningless? Wow. You believe everything they are fighting for over there is meaningless? Yet Dem. like to spout how they actually DO support the troops.
| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Explain the deaths in Iraq. And try to do so using practical and logical means, none of this "He was a threat." opinion stuff. Bring hard facts into the answer backed up with reports. This means that any speculation of WMD's is automatically forfeit.
Explain the deaths in Iraq? Deaths happen in this thing.... Whats it called? Oh yeah.... A WAR! I don't care if YOU don't think Saddam was not a threat. This nation is a Democracy. Some believe he was. Most did. Including your buddy Dem. Like Kerry and Edwards. There is no real proof that there are no WMDs. You have to be pretty foolish to believe the reports. These men looked over every square inch of Iraq? Yeah...ok...
And again, we do not know her wishes, we never will, BUT the burden of proof was on the parents and other to prove that those were not her wishes. They failed in doing so. Until you can prove that they weren't, regardless of the time, it is just and unsubstanciated opinion and cannot be used in an argument. |
Wait a minute. Her parents show no proof that she wanted to live, thats ok. But her husband shows no proof she wanted to die and you accept that? Uh huh....
| Starbuck wrote: | | What did he gain from it? |
A new sofa.... What do you think he gained?
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:40 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Explain the deaths in Iraq. And try to do so using practical and logical means, none of this "He was a threat." opinion stuff. Bring hard facts into the answer backed up with reports. This means that any speculation of WMD's is automatically forfeit.
Explain the deaths in Iraq? Deaths happen in this thing.... Whats it called? Oh yeah.... A WAR! I don't care if YOU don't think Saddam was not a threat. This nation is a Democracy. Some believe he was. Most did. Including your buddy Dem. Like Kerry and Edwards. There is no real proof that there are no WMDs. You have to be pretty foolish to believe the reports. These men looked over every square inch of Iraq? Yeah...ok...
And again, we do not know her wishes, we never will, BUT the burden of proof was on the parents and other to prove that those were not her wishes. They failed in doing so. Until you can prove that they weren't, regardless of the time, it is just and unsubstanciated opinion and cannot be used in an argument. |
Wait a minute. Her parents show no proof that she wanted to live, thats ok. But her husband shows no proof she wanted to die and you accept that? Uh huh.... |
Founder, you are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT right. He's a Liberal that doesn't give a damn about life on the deathbed. He only cares about deaths for a necessary war that he thinks was unnecessary. We don't KNOW that those were her wishes, and since we did not know that, the benefit had to be towards life, NOT DEATH! He did not prove that those were her wishes, and yet she was killed anyway. And yet the burden of proof is on proving that those WEREN'T her wishes? Ridiculous
And several years ago she WAS making progress in California, but she was pulled away thanks to her selfish husband who didn't want her to be rehabilitated, and therefore it is logical to say that because she was pulled away under such conditions, she could no longer have been rehabilitated.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:57 pm |
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What are you babbling about? I never said I supported the gov. getting involved in the case now did I? I never said she could be rehibilitated either. Wow you're good with stereotyping. |
Again, it was a general "You", if you dont like it, dont post. And for the stereotyping, You and RM are better.
| Founder wrote: | I simply KNEW this man was not going to kill her because he wanted to send "his wife to a better place because he KNEW she wasn't going to be rehabilitated in any way."
Thats a lie. He didn't do it to "ease her suffering". |
That is your opinion, You're allowed to have it.
| Founder wrote: | | Meaningless? Wow. You believe everything they are fighting for over there is meaningless? Yet Dem. like to spout how they actually DO support the troops. |
I support the troops, I dont support a meaningless war. There is a big difference.
| Founder wrote: | | Explain the deaths in Iraq? Deaths happen in this thing.... Whats it called? Oh yeah.... A WAR! I don't care if YOU don't think Saddam was not a threat. This nation is a Democracy. Some believe he was. Most did. Including your buddy Dem. Like Kerry and Edwards. There is no real proof that there are no WMDs. You have to be pretty foolish to believe the reports. These men looked over every square inch of Iraq? Yeah...ok... |
You call it war, I call it unecessary conflict. Afganistan was a war, Iraq was an unneeded distration from the fact that we failed in our task to find and capture Bin Laden and the other higher Al-Queda members that were promised.
Yes, Saddam was a threat, but the time was wrong to go in. now we are reaping the consequences of our actions. Even Generals of the past knew a two front war was a stupidly ridiculous Idea. Seems Bush and his advisors didn't know that. Now our military is spread thin, and we lack the soldiers needed to continue, seeing as how most are overdue for extraction.
Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows? Bush was a fool to go in without the proper solid evidence. There is no proof that there were no WMD's but there is even less evidence that Iraq was producing New WMD's aside from the ones they had from the Gulf War.
| Founder wrote: | | Wait a minute. Her parents show no proof that she wanted to live, thats ok. But her husband shows no proof she wanted to die and you accept that? Uh huh.. |
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Her Husband is her caretaker, not her parents. Courts saw it that way, many people saw it that way. Her parents couldn't prove she wanted to live, even if they could She could never be rehabilitated. Read the Autopsy report, With the loss of that many Neurons she could never be rehabilitated. If you cant accept that, too bad. Science proves you wrong.
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:13 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: |
Her Husband is her caretaker, not her parents. Courts saw it that way, many people saw it that way. Her parents couldn't prove she wanted to live, even if they could She could never be rehabilitated. Read the Autopsy report, With the loss of that many Neurons she could never be rehabilitated. If you cant accept that, too bad. Science proves you wrong. |
I saw a show once where researchers in England selected a random group of people to be CAT-scanned for brain research. These people were selected to represent an "average" group, with young and old, male and female, and other aspects balanced.
One of the selected people was a 20 year old man, and by utter suprise the CAT scan showed that he had only 3% of a "normal" brain. It formed a thin layer just inside his skull, leaving the majority of his skull filled with fluid. Once again he only had 3% of his brain - but he was a genius!
Science proves YOU wrong.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:18 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | I saw a show once where researchers in England selected a random group of people to be CAT-scanned for brain research. These people were selected to represent an "average" group, with young and old, male and female, and other aspects balanced.
One of the selected people was a 20 year old man, and by utter suprise the CAT scan showed that he had only 3% of a "normal" brain. It formed a thin layer just inside his skull, leaving the majority of his skull filled with fluid. Once again he only had 3% of his brain - but he was a genius!
Science proves YOU wrong. |
Again, back up your claim with evidence as is the policy in WN.
And only 3% of brain matter and was a genius. Impossible. The loss of Neurons itself would leave him a vegetable unable to basic functions. You know, such important things as breathing.
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LightningBoy
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Hey, if she was really in a PVS, what was the harm in keeping her alive? If that was the case, she couldn't feel pain.
In either case, there was someone willing to take care of her, it was the wrong choice.
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Theresa
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| Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:03 pm |
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It's kind of funny that if she wasn't feeling any pain, she was given pain meds.
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