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Puck
The Texan
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Hello!? Creationists?? Are you there?
If you are, first, remember that the Bible is the "inspired word of God". Secondly, evolution IS a possibility because with God, all things are possible. Whether it is true or not, well, I do not think either side will be able to be proven 100%.
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PrankishSmart
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Joined: 29 Apr 2002
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:01 am |
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| B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: |
Depends. Scientists have made many intresting discoverys on the matter, and in terms of proof, the evolution theory is more, much more, in favour. |
The reason I have a problem with evolution is quite simple: probability and statistics. Can you imagine all the chance that goes into evolution??? How much would've been involved in evolving one pool of guck (Or tidepool, or collection of chemicals around hydrothermic vents) becoming everything we see today? Everything? Really...How can one follow logic through that? And that's assuming that this was able to bounce back after even the paleolithic era...the chances involved in that are uneblievable. Every single adaptation in the world...I can't even concieve of the numbers against that idea. But perhaps someone could enlighten me here. |
Yes, I do know all the chance that goes into evolution. We are the result of that. It maybe against the odds, but a lot of the things in the world today are against the odds. Think of all the trillions of stars in the universe. An almost infinate amount of stars. Once you compare it up with that chance, it does not become so much bogus. And, chance are, that life exsits on at least one of those trillion + stars.
If the creation theory is true, who then created god to create us? Did he simply just exist? Just like that?  ...thats what I can't get my mind around with the creation theory. That and the lack of evidence.
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1/1
Rear Admiral
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Location: La La Land
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 6:05 am |
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I'm a creationist and I believe that we all came from Adam and Eve. I don't think I came from a monkey.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 4425
Location: Dallas, TX
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:41 pm |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: |
Yes, I do know all the chance that goes into evolution. We are the result of that. It maybe against the odds, but a lot of the things in the world today are against the odds. Think of all the trillions of stars in the universe. An almost infinate amount of stars. Once you compare it up with that chance, it does not become so much bogus. And, chance are, that life exsits on at least one of those trillion + stars.
If the creation theory is true, who then created god to create us? Did he simply just exist? Just like that? ...thats what I can't get my mind around with the creation theory. That and the lack of evidence. |
Chance of having life on a star is one thing, but chance of coming this far in the amount of time that scientists have plotted out...big numbers there. And I don't see evolution happening everywhere around me...if it was true, one would think that we could see it happening here, now. But go figure.
Next is just opinion (Developed from long-held thought and getting lost in the woods with a friend  ) That God came from the simple "Is"--nothingness. That the nothingness became a force. Yeah, yeah go figure, and who are we to muse on such things, but it's a theory in progress. Nobody take my word on that, please, it was just innocent musing. Unfortunately, none of us are going to prove the other wrong at this point in time...the Christians will just have to watch the trumps fall into place and wait for our day. Or not. (I say this only for everyone else--as I sure as heck believe it will happen) *shrugs*
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Toad
Chief of Security
Joined: 28 Aug 2003
Posts: 936
Location: The Great Plains
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:14 pm |
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | I see that Satan's demons are not taking the day off. They are feeding lies and decieve people from the truth. |
I maybe misunderstanding feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying we are demons because we beleive in evoloution rather creation? if I am right in what I'm sensing than I feel that I should tell you that your out of place saying we are demons if that was your point in your statement. |
I am not saying that you are a demon, but that there are demons telling you these lies. It's called spiritual warfare. And I am part of a discussion, not a argument.
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Puck
The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:16 pm |
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Would you even be at all willing to accept the fact of evolution?
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Toad
Chief of Security
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:18 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | Hello!? Creationists?? Are you there?
If you are, first, remember that the Bible is the "inspired word of God". Secondly, evolution IS a possibility because with God, all things are possible. Whether it is true or not, well, I do not think either side will be able to be proven 100%. |
You are right, because the evolutionists will not acept anything we present to them because they don't want to believe it. Has anyone noticed the more I, or any other christian talks about this subject, the more resistance we recieve from other people. It's because the demons know that they are being attacked on a spiritual level, and they are trying harder to spread lies. And I have noticed that people keep talking about chance and probabililty. Think about this: we live on a planet that is suited for are needs. Do you think that by chance that the planet we live on is able to sustain us, and that this planet appeared over millions of years of evolution?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:19 pm |
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Indeed, as the church actually supports the theory of evolution.
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:27 pm |
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| Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | Hello!? Creationists?? Are you there?
If you are, first, remember that the Bible is the "inspired word of God". Secondly, evolution IS a possibility because with God, all things are possible. Whether it is true or not, well, I do not think either side will be able to be proven 100%. |
You are right, because the evolutionists will not acept anything we present to them because they don't want to believe it. Has anyone noticed the more I, or any other christian talks about this subject, the more resistance we recieve from other people. It's because the demons know that they are being attacked on a spiritual level, and they are trying harder to spread lies. And I have noticed that people keep talking about chance and probabililty. Think about this: we live on a planet that is suited for are needs. Do you think that by chance that the planet we live on is able to sustain us, and that this planet appeared over millions of years of evolution? |
Why do YOU resist the evolution theory so much. Perhaps both are true. That could very easily be true.
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Toad
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:28 pm |
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No, I will not accept the fact of evolution. However, I will resarch it and find it's many flaws. Another thing I have noticed: People think that God is trying to hurt them in some way, and that makes them turn to other things to hold on to. That is why people are trying to prove that evolution is real, because they think think God is a real bad thing. That proves that there are demons and that they are fighting. Well we will fight back.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:31 pm |
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The church says that the theory of evolution could be correct, however "God" only started it off. The earth was created in 7 days, according to the Bible. How do we know how long a "day" is for "God"? It could be millions of years.
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Puck
The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:31 pm |
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Why, it could be true. Perhaps God created the Earth. Then we evolved from something, and one day he breathed his spirit into us. I don't know why you think evolution is such an awful theory.
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Toad
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:33 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Lt.CmdrWorf wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | Hello!? Creationists?? Are you there?
If you are, first, remember that the Bible is the "inspired word of God". Secondly, evolution IS a possibility because with God, all things are possible. Whether it is true or not, well, I do not think either side will be able to be proven 100%. |
You are right, because the evolutionists will not acept anything we present to them because they don't want to believe it. Has anyone noticed the more I, or any other christian talks about this subject, the more resistance we recieve from other people. It's because the demons know that they are being attacked on a spiritual level, and they are trying harder to spread lies. And I have noticed that people keep talking about chance and probabililty. Think about this: we live on a planet that is suited for are needs. Do you think that by chance that the planet we live on is able to sustain us, and that this planet appeared over millions of years of evolution? |
Why do YOU resist the evolution theory so much. Perhaps both are true. That could very easily be true. |
Not according to the Bible. It says that the Lord created the Earth in seven days. It also says that he created night and day, and that is how we know how long a day is.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:35 pm |
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So, "God" is bound by human time perception, you're saying?
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
-Wuthering Heights
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:36 pm |
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The Bible is the inspired word of God. Keyword there being inspired.
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Toad
Chief of Security
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:47 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | So, "God" is bound by human time perception, you're saying? |
No, God is not bound, but understood.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:51 pm |
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But you said that he percieves a "day" as a human would. What do you mean by "understood"?
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Toad
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:58 pm |
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God is not bound by our "night and day". Understood probably was not the best choice of words, so I apologize. I was trying to tie two things together there and It didn't work.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:59 pm |
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So, you're confirming what I said?
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
-Wuthering Heights
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Toad
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:05 pm |
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Let me try this again.
#1 God gave us the day so that we may work and have light to work.
God gave us the night so that we can rest.
#2 God is not bottled up by our conception of time. To God, time is one unit. Meaning that there is no day, night, weeks, months to Him.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:09 pm |
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So then how do you know that he "made the world in exactly seven days". Maybe that was just put so as to make it easier for us simple minded humans to understand?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:09 pm |
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I agree with #2 (as far as time conception). So, if he has no concept of time (which we both agree on, I presume), then why do you say that he definitely created the world in 7 days (24 hours)? Because, as Kevin mentioned it was PEOPLE who wrote the bible who were "inspired". They wouldn't have been able to grasp the concept of millions of years, so it only makes sense that they'd use the unit of a "day".
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
-Wuthering Heights
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Toad
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:13 pm |
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He created it in seven days, according to our time table. God told the people who wrote the Bible to write that the world was created in seven days.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:15 pm |
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He "told" them to, perhaps so that we could comprehend. However, in actuality, it could have taken weeks or years in our time.
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Pah-Wraith
Sheikh
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| Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:20 pm |
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That�s a good question,
To cut a long answer short, I believe Adaam and Hawa (Eve) were the first human beings of our kind to inhabit this World, However I don�t necessarily believe that this world was created in 6 literal days like my religion preaches, and I don�t rule out any possibilities of an Evolutionary process resulting in Humans being created.
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