How come the temperal agents did not stop voyager in Endgame

[Founder]

So you're premise is bascially off of the belief they don't have temporal shielding...

Ok, that works except one problem.

How did they not have something in the 29th century that VOY had in the 24 century?

[Voyager2004]

OOH, sorry for double post, but just remembered something I meant to put in twice now and failed to do...

The Temporal Federation IS susceptible to timeline alterations. Because in "Future's End pt II" Janeway knows Captain Braxton and tells him he was an old man and such. Here it is word for word.

Janeway: Captain Braxton.
Braxton: Do you know me?
Chakotay: Yes, unfortunately.
Janeway: You tried to destroy our ship in the 24th century, and the next time we saw you, you were an old man, homeless, in 1996.
Braxton: I never experienced that timeline.
Paris: Then what are you doing here?
Braxton: In my century we can scan time, much as you use sensors to scan space. The Temporal Itegrity commission detected your vessel over 20th Century Earth. I was sent to correct that anamoly.

See, he was sent to correct Voyager because they were in the wrong spot. The Temporal Federation didn't know why, or how. They just wanted Voyager fixed. They ARE susceptible to alterations in the timeline. And their technology, too...In my opinion, Temporal Shields for the Temporal Federation are a waste of time, unless needed for a temporal based weapon. They need a crew that exists outside of space/time. IMO, of course...

[Founder]

Good point...BUT...the still doesn't answer my question...

[Voyager2004]

Temporal shields wouldn't make a bit of difference if someone altered time. The only good that those shields did Voyager, was to finally hold off the Temporal torpedoes, and to prevent them from being altered by Annorax's weapon. Annorax's weapon changed things around Voyager, and not tried to interfere with the making of Voyager's Temporal shielding.

[Lord Borg]

There's just one problem with that, if thats the case, how is it in season five's "Relitivy" He DID know her, and she had ruined his career? Yet even more plot holes.....

As for your question, andy. I dont know, again, plot holes. How is it seven has more advanced technology in heer ocular implant then a 29th century starship?

[Voyager2004]

The 29th Century can have Temporal Shields all they want. But they won't do very much good if they're still susceptible to the changes.

Now, I see what you're saying about why you believe they wouldn't be affected with the shields in place. And I guess it's possible they wouldn't be affected...up UNTIL the point where they created the Temporal shields in the first place. And/Or started using them on a permanent basis. But if the timeline changed up to the point when they created the shields and started using them, everything that they know to be true, still changed up until they created the shields...

Example: Let's pretend the shields were created in 2650, and they started using them IMMEDIATELY...They're protected...or are they? Now let's throw in a large temporal incursion in the year 2450. That would mean that history is changed up to the point of 2650. But with that large incursion let's pretend that the temporal shields are still put in use in 2650. All the known information, interactions, and history for those 200 years will still be carried on in the records and such through the year 2750. They're not really protected...

I hope I made sense. It makes sense to me, but it's just so hard to explain here...

[Voyager2004]

[Lord Borg]

It dont matter WHEN their created, being Temporal means that it can't be affected by the changes of time, Year of hell is a good example of this. When they used the shields, they were protected from the time changes which was a change to a time where they werent in a "year of hell" The dudes ship is temporal, meaning that it could have been made hundreds of eyars ago (It is implied it was), but they arer un effected from time changes due to being temporal....

[Founder]

Yeah, this is rife with plot holes. Why make a "good" episode that makes no sense. The good thing about "good" episodes like Year of Hell or Yesterday's Enterprise or even Past Tense is that they HIT THE RESET BUTTON in the end. So all that stuff is undone. This temporal Fed. crap is just that, crap. It makes no sense.

As for your argument of someone messing up time BEFORE they have the temporal shielding, thus allowing them to be screwed up doesn't make sense. If they have temporal shielding in place, NOTHING can make them susceptible to the time line. The most it can do is undo the Federation from making them, but since they're already in place, they can't be affected by it. At least, not ships with it. That is a paradox, but it still makes no sense for them to be affected. UNLESS, they dont have temporal shielding. But if that is the case, how can they not have something that VOY had in the 24th century?

[Lord Borg]

Unless they simply dont have it in the new timeline. When things reset, everything went back to a year ago in year of hell. So, no Temporal shielding, or weapons. ALTHOUGH, in the 29th-30th at least, it is known that they have temporal sensors.... if they have temporal sensors, why not shielding? They also have temporal communications.....

[La Forge]

Voyager2004 said...

[Founder]

[La Forge]

Sorry, I didn't mean to fly off the handle. I didn't mean anything by it. But, the word...reset button...it just sounds so...dirty.

Anyways, I was just joking. Sorry 'bout that, eh?

[Lord Borg]

DS9 had reset button episodes. you cannot apply it to Voyager out of hatred, then defend DS9 like fans defend VOY, the differnces is, VOY just used it more.

[La Forge]

I know that DS9 had its own reset buttons. However, I do not consider Past Tense one of them. That is all I was doing.

For example, "Visionary" a still good DS9 episode, was a reset button episode. There were plenty of others, which I can't recall, but, as you said, there weren't as many as VOY. "Yesterday's Enterprise" a TNG episode was a phenomenal episode and was also a reset button ep. The name sounds dirty however some of 'em are great eps. VOY even had a good reset button ep. "Year of Hell".

[Voyager2004]