Birthright Citizenship

[Republican_Man]

There's a difference because this doesn't involve the termination of a life. This involves citizenship, not the termination of a life. Now, I would be fine with them getting citizenship were the parents to give the child up, but for the parents to be able to use that as a reason to stay in this country is just wrong. Not being a citizen of the US doesn't mean suffering.
Take the following scenerio, for instance:
Two parents cross the border illegally. While in the van on the way to the immigration station the mother has the baby. Then, because of birthright citizenship, the parents are not only allowed to stay in this country, but they are worked into this system and everything, getting all the benefits of legals and everything.
Is that right? Is that really fair and right to those immigrants that spent the time to enter this country legally, and to the citizens that pay for these types of programs? I would say no. It's not right that simply because a child was born here, to parents who entered this country illegally, that the parents should be allowed to stay here. That's the crux of the matter, I would say. It's how the system gets breached and abused because of that. It's just not right, nor is it fair to those who do what's necessary to come legally. But clearly the law is irrelivant, particularly when two illegals have a child born in our country.
I'm a law-abider and prefer having our laws enforced, not broken, not dis-enforced, not breached. And therefore, simply because two parents have a child born in this country after entering illegal does not mean that they should be able to mooch off the system.

Now, I would accept, perhaps, the child being a citizen but the parents not being allowed to remain in the country, and over time the child could come legally and legally be a citizen. However, the parents being able to use the system is wrong. If we had a comprehensive law covering both issues, that could be acceptable.

I don't think that it's right for so many hospitals to go bankrupt and schools to be overcrowded because of illegal immigrants. I also don't think that illegal immigrants should be able to get welfare or all the other benefits of rightful, legal immigrants and citizens. It's simply not right, not right at all.

Tell me, how is it fair to those who wait to come here legally that the parents, simply because their child was born here after they crossed the border illegally, get to stay, without having to go through the hard, long practice those legal immigrants when through to get here, including to gain citizenship?

And fine. There were no mmigration procedures in any way then like there are now. Here we have laws that are clearly layed out and everything and yet at the same time are ignored. There's a difference here. We're a country founded on immigrants, yes, but really, truly on legal immigrants. Anyone remember Ellis Island, for instance? Maybe that wasn't there when our state was founded, but I've been there, to Ellis Island. But whether we were illegals or not (which I would argue not) back then, it's irrelivant when it comes to immigration now. We have set policies that aren't being followed or enforced, and yet still people can come to this country illegally and simply because their child was born here can stay. That's not right.

If there's another way for the child to do things that doesn't mean that the parents can be allowed to break our laws, so be it, even though I do still have concerns about it. But if the parents get rewarded for breaking our laws simply because their baby was born in the US, that's just wrong.

I see and respect your opinions, guys, but I very much disagree. If you break the law and have a baby on this side, you shouldn't be able to mooch off the system simply because your child was born here.

We wouldn't even be having this debate, though, if the government actually did something to protect our country better and seal our border. But noooo. Politics and the need for cheap labor come paramount to national security--which is at stake with illegal immigration. (No, I'm not saying that all illegals pose a threat--most don't, but there's a huge national security issue there.)
Seriously, though. If our government actually enforced our immigration laws we wouldn't even be here. That's why we need to shut down our southern border so that illegal entries won't continue, and make green cards more easily accessable, and help Mexico to really get back on its feet instead of shipping its people here for its main industry--which IS what it's doing (the government, that is).

I hope you can at least see how I arrive at this conclusion and find the logic in it, even if you do believe in an open-border policy.