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Starbuck
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agreed. If you're old enough to do the crime, than your old enough to take the punishment.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:04 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Death is the easy way out. So no, they should have to pay for the crimes. |
But should society have to pay, (literally) by funding prison time, and less directly because prisons release offenders early (to make room), and act as "continuing education" for inmates.
I strongly believe that prisons as we know them are wrong. If someone is redeemable, prisons are a horrible environment for doing it. And if they are not (and some are not), they should be remanded to the highest authority.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:15 pm |
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| Quote: | Isn't the death penalty cheaper than life in prison?
* No. It costs a great deal more.
* "Elimination of the death penalty [in California] would result in a net savings to the state of at least tens of millions of dollars annually, and a net savings to local governments in the millions to tens of millions of dollars on a statewide basis." (Joint Legislative Budget Committee of the California Legislature, 09/9/99)
* Total cost of death penalty is 38% greater than total cost of life without parole sentences. (Indiana Criminal Law Study Commission, January 10, 2002)
* Since its return to New York in 1995, $160 million has been spent. The New York Daily News estimates that before the first execution takes place, $238 million will be spent.
* In addition to the funds required to try death penalty cases, the New York Department of Correctional Services spent $1.3 million to construct New York's 12-inmate death row and pays nearly $300,000 per year to guard the unit. (New York Law Journal, April 30, 2002)
NYADP advocates that the money spent on the death penalty should be spent on crime prevention programs and victims� assistance programs, both of which are severely under-funded. |
From: http://www.nyadp.org/main/faq#0
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:38 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Death is the easy way out. So no, they should have to pay for the crimes. |
But should society have to pay, (literally) by funding prison time, and less directly because prisons release offenders early (to make room), and act as "continuing education" for inmates.
I strongly believe that prisons as we know them are wrong. If someone is redeemable, prisons are a horrible environment for doing it. And if they are not (and some are not), they should be remanded to the highest authority. |
Agreed. Intrepid, death is the better punishment. I used to think like you, but now I've changed my view. Prison is the easy way out.
I do think, however, that it should be swifter, but no, it really doesn't cost more.
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Starbuck
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:46 pm |
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I think death is worse, because its a scary thought. I mean, think about it, someone's going to strap you down to a table, and people are going to watch you die.
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:48 pm |
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| 4evajaneway wrote: | | I think death is worse, because its a scary thought. I mean, think about it, someone's going to strap you down to a table, and people are going to watch you die. |
Not just that, but if you're religious, you're going to hell. If you're not, your life is done.
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Josi Rockholt
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:57 pm |
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murder is murder. Plain and simple. If you kill someone for also killing someone, it's still murder,only difference, it's ok if it's been approved by a judge. What about the ones that get the death penalty and years later, it's found out that it wasn't that person. Like AAron said, death is the eay way out. I'm more for the life sentence without possibility for parole.
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Puck
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | 4evajaneway wrote: | | I think death is worse, because its a scary thought. I mean, think about it, someone's going to strap you down to a table, and people are going to watch you die. |
Not just that, but if you're religious, you're going to hell. If you're not, your life is done. |
That's quite a vengeful way of thinking. Plus I didn't know that we were able to judge for ourselves who is, and who isn't going to hell. Glad you feel that you know enough to do that, because I certainly don't. And it is murder RM, it truely is. If you lock someone up in prison, they are no threat, So basically, you are just killing someone for revenge, which is, in this case, killing someone else to sooth yourself, and to make you feel better. That is just disgusting.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:12 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | 4evajaneway wrote: | | I think death is worse, because its a scary thought. I mean, think about it, someone's going to strap you down to a table, and people are going to watch you die. |
Not just that, but if you're religious, you're going to hell. If you're not, your life is done. |
That's quite a vengeful way of thinking. Plus I didn't know that we were able to judge for ourselves who is, and who isn't going to hell. Glad you feel that you know enough to do that, because I certainly don't. And it is murder RM, it truely is. If you lock someone up in prison, they are no threat, So basically, you are just killing someone for revenge, which is, in this case, killing someone else to sooth yourself, and to make you feel better. That is just disgusting. |
I don't think it's murder. And I don't think it's for revenge. But I expect someone who kills an innocent life to go to hell--at least that's what I would think God would do. And no, it's not for revenge, and I don't condone killing for revenge.
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webtaz99
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| Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:19 pm |
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[extreme sarcasm]
Why not make it democratic, in a truly American way. When a case comes up, people can contribute based on "Yes to Death Penalty" or "Yes to Life In Prison". The side with the most money wins!
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Seven of Nine
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:29 am |
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The death penalty is murder. You shouldn't be allowed to kill someone legally (except maybe in time of war or in self defence).
I'm not up to speed with US law, but what happens if the person who committed the crime was mentally unstable at the time of the crime? I hpoe they don't get the death penalty, too.
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LightningBoy
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:36 am |
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Yes --- in extreme cases.
But again, what's wrong with vengence? If I had family killed, I would probably go after it personally.
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Starbuck
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:58 am |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | The death penalty is murder. You shouldn't be allowed to kill someone legally (except maybe in time of war or in self defence).
I'm not up to speed with US law, but what happens if the person who committed the crime was mentally unstable at the time of the crime? I hpoe they don't get the death penalty, too. |
If someone can be proved mentally unstable, they are sent to a mental institution under heavy guard until that time which they are thought to be able to spend the rest of their life sentance in prision.
But everyone who gets the death penalty, doesn't necessarily make it to death row. There's the appeals process which almost ALWAYS comes through and gets you a life sentance. However in cases of terrorist acts, like Timmothy McVey, the appeal obviously wouldn't work. But then you have 7 years to keep appealing before they kill you.
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lionhead
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:40 am |
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The death sentecne might cost more money than Life imprisonment but it surely doesn't cost more time. And that is the price we cannot pay (did that make sense?).
We also need space in the prisons for people with a lower Prison time so they actually can be Punishes for their crimes. But more importantly, the real psychopaths who are unable too get out of prison anyway need to be exterminated. If you keep them in Prison its just a matter of time before they break out, kill someone in prison (a guard or inmate), Deal drugs out too other inmates, get a girl pregnant and ruin the lifes of other inmates by means of god knows what (rape, extortion, threatenings, assignments too kill, force them to take drugs).
The really bad ones should be killed so we don't have too waste time on them anymore. From the beginning doctors and Psychiatrists have wasted time on these helpless souls and it leads too nothing.
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Theresa
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:50 am |
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I'm pretty much still undecided. I've read some cases where I'd be 100% for it, but also understand the POV of those against.
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:38 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | 4evajaneway wrote: | | I think death is worse, because its a scary thought. I mean, think about it, someone's going to strap you down to a table, and people are going to watch you die. |
Not just that, but if you're religious, you're going to hell. If you're not, your life is done. |
That's quite a vengeful way of thinking. Plus I didn't know that we were able to judge for ourselves who is, and who isn't going to hell. Glad you feel that you know enough to do that, because I certainly don't. And it is murder RM, it truely is. If you lock someone up in prison, they are no threat, So basically, you are just killing someone for revenge, which is, in this case, killing someone else to sooth yourself, and to make you feel better. That is just disgusting. |
I don't think it's murder. And I don't think it's for revenge. But I expect someone who kills an innocent life to go to hell--at least that's what I would think God would do. And no, it's not for revenge, and I don't condone killing for revenge. |
then what is it for? it's clearly an eye for an eye and that means revenge. and what's all this about going to hell?? i thought god was all forgiving. 
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:00 pm |
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Only if you ask for it.
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Beta6
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:04 pm |
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I feel the death penalty is only needed for people who have done terrible things, Such as Timothy McVae (<~~is that howhis name is spelled?)
I don't think I'd want a person to die and have the easy way out of his/her life by being put to death, I'd rather let them suffer behind bars. But in some cases... the death penalty is much needed. I mean, I'm already paying lots of mulah in taxes here in CA anyway... so what difference does it make?
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:06 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Only if you ask for it. |
shall we tar and feather the bad people as well? 
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:19 pm |
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| Jemah wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | 4evajaneway wrote: | | I think death is worse, because its a scary thought. I mean, think about it, someone's going to strap you down to a table, and people are going to watch you die. |
Not just that, but if you're religious, you're going to hell. If you're not, your life is done. |
That's quite a vengeful way of thinking. Plus I didn't know that we were able to judge for ourselves who is, and who isn't going to hell. Glad you feel that you know enough to do that, because I certainly don't. And it is murder RM, it truely is. If you lock someone up in prison, they are no threat, So basically, you are just killing someone for revenge, which is, in this case, killing someone else to sooth yourself, and to make you feel better. That is just disgusting. |
I don't think it's murder. And I don't think it's for revenge. But I expect someone who kills an innocent life to go to hell--at least that's what I would think God would do. And no, it's not for revenge, and I don't condone killing for revenge. |
then what is it for? it's clearly an eye for an eye and that means revenge. and what's all this about going to hell?? i thought god was all forgiving. |
Doesn't mean people won't go to hell 
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Jemah
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:30 pm |
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it's like talking to a rock. 
oh wait.. no. more like a bible. haha.
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Starbuck
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| Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:43 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Jemah wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | 4evajaneway wrote: | | I think death is worse, because its a scary thought. I mean, think about it, someone's going to strap you down to a table, and people are going to watch you die. |
Not just that, but if you're religious, you're going to hell. If you're not, your life is done. |
That's quite a vengeful way of thinking. Plus I didn't know that we were able to judge for ourselves who is, and who isn't going to hell. Glad you feel that you know enough to do that, because I certainly don't. And it is murder RM, it truely is. If you lock someone up in prison, they are no threat, So basically, you are just killing someone for revenge, which is, in this case, killing someone else to sooth yourself, and to make you feel better. That is just disgusting. |
I don't think it's murder. And I don't think it's for revenge. But I expect someone who kills an innocent life to go to hell--at least that's what I would think God would do. And no, it's not for revenge, and I don't condone killing for revenge. |
then what is it for? it's clearly an eye for an eye and that means revenge. and what's all this about going to hell?? i thought god was all forgiving. |
Doesn't mean people won't go to hell |
1. Yeah, if you do something that bad , you're going to hell
2. Jemah, god is only all forgiving if your sorry.
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:22 pm |
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Well i think the death penalty should be legal but put more stricter rules on it like if a young kid shot someone u do not put them on a death penalty but if a crazy psycho has raped over 20 people or some person has killed a whole family well duh he or she should be put to death i know it seems barbaric and stuff but it is fact
That is my opinion and I leave it at that
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:24 pm |
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| voy416 wrote: | Well i think the death penalty should be legal but put more stricter rules on it like if a young kid shot someone u do not put them on a death penalty but if a crazy psycho has raped over 20 people or some person has killed a whole family well duh he or she should be put to death i know it seems barbaric and stuff but it is fact
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How young? I am a minor, and I think that if you are ages 14 and up (maybe even 13) you know right from wrong and should get the death penalty as well. But I love how youth can have abortions without letting their parents know but not get the death penalty
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Jemah
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| Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:26 pm |
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killing anyone is wrong even if it's with the death penalty. killing children even with the death penalty is extremely wrong.
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