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Lindley Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Posts: 6194 Location: Fairfax, VA
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:36 am |
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^Nah, I've seen the numbers. ENT's last few episodes were just above 2.5 million viewers. That's part of the reason it was cancelled-----if the numbers had stayed about 3 million, as they were prior to Christmas, it might still be here.
Stargate SG-1 frequently gets in the vicinity of 2 million viewers or a bit more on the Scifi channel, though. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of?
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Deep space nine was thought a terrible series until series three and dont forget that voyager was also thought terrible until the end of season 3 |
I don't dispute that those shows improved with their later years. Significantly, in DS9's case.
However, both only had *one* season which could be called terrible----their first. When you're not in imminent danger of cancellation, you can afford one warm-up season.
Enterprise took 2, though. That's too many. If a series cannot provide quality episodes by the second season, viewers are going to start getting impatient.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:09 am |
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I watch enterprise every week but because I live in a different country I download the episodes of bit torrent. This has to be considered, there are more, a lot more viewers than 2 or 3 million I believe.
But i'm not too sure which is best. Fight to try and save enterprise, or let it die in peace. If it really ends in the 4th season, I do hope for a good ending, and maybe preserve the timeline as much as possible.
I really miss 24th century trek, and want the next series, if there is one, to be late 24th, early 25th century trek just like we remembered. TNG, DS9 and VOY were the best series.
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Solitary Poet Captain
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 805 Location: Lancaster (Dallas), Texas
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:32 pm |
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It is my understanding that USA controls UPN and that it is their fault that Enterprise has been canceled. Is it any wonder that both of these channels only have one show worthy of watching? A channel that has only one show you can sit through is a failure in anyone�s book. UPN stopped showing reruns of TNG, DS9, and VOY so their only show is Enterprise. The only thing I find worth watching on USA is MONK, since they stopped showing reruns of Quantum Leap and MacGyver. I guess the Great Hedgimon, USA, doesn�t know what�s good for TV!
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Lindley Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Posts: 6194 Location: Fairfax, VA
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:37 pm |
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Solitary Poet wrote: | It is my understanding that USA controls UPN and that it is their fault that Enterprise has been canceled. Is it any wonder that both of these channels only have one show worthy of watching? A channel that has only one show you can sit through is a failure in anyone�s book. UPN stopped showing reruns of TNG, DS9, and VOY so their only show is Enterprise. The only thing I find worth watching on USA is MONK, since they stopped showing reruns of Quantum Leap and MacGyver. I guess the Great Hedgimon, USA, doesn�t know what�s good for TV! |
Actually, CBS controls UPN------USA is part of the NBC-Universal group, which also owns Scifi.
As for what's worth watching? On CBS, nothing except Joan of Arcadia. On USA, The Dead Zone is pretty good. On UPN, Veronica Mars is watchable. But there isn't much, is there?
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I watch enterprise every week but because I live in a different country I download the episodes of bit torrent. This has to be considered, there are more, a lot more viewers than 2 or 3 million I believe. |
Unfortunately, UPN doesn't care about how many people watch the show. They care about how many people see the commercial breaks. Unless you download the show with commercials intact, UPN doesn't care about you.
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Jeff Miller Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 23947 Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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B'Elanna Torres 7 of 9 wrote: | how about they start up VOY again |
ugh good god no, I could barley stand that show.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:33 pm |
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Lindley wrote: |
Actually, CBS controls UPN------USA is part of the NBC-Universal group, which also owns Scifi.
As for what's worth watching? On CBS, nothing except Joan of Arcadia.
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I'll assume not mentioning JAG was an oversight... I've only watched ENT a few times, it was ok, but I didn't make sure I watched it when it was on, like I did DS9, even during it's bad season.
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Kuro-chan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 335 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:01 pm |
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memyselfandI wrote: | I respect you're opinion on Enterprise, but I really don't think we need the negative attitudes in this section for now......please leave us fans to our business for the time being. Gloating is just plain rude. |
Thank you for saying this. Enterprise may not have been the best trek out there, but I feel it was "Better than nothing" and it did have a few decent jewels in amongst the hard to swallow stuff.
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Voyager Books Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 92 Location: England
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:36 am |
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Republican_Man wrote: | Yeah, I'm content with this. I never really liked the show, anyways. Now get Voyager back on! |
now theres an idea.
I'll miss Enterprise. I was just getting into it . season 3 was very enjoyable.
if its finishing at the endo of season 4 then its just ending
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konniekip Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 09 Oct 2004 Posts: 33 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:41 am |
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Maybe they could revive Voyager. Voyager: The Delta Quadrant revisited
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Sonic74205 Rear Admiral
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: England
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:45 am |
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No, Kate Mulgrew has already said that she is happy voyager is over.
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Lindley Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Posts: 6194 Location: Fairfax, VA
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:35 pm |
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Theresa wrote: | Lindley wrote: |
Actually, CBS controls UPN------USA is part of the NBC-Universal group, which also owns Scifi.
As for what's worth watching? On CBS, nothing except Joan of Arcadia.
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I'll assume not mentioning JAG was an oversight... |
Never seen JAG, myself, actually.
As for Voyager----not possible. Simple reality----the only remote chance of a VOY return is if it is somehow involved in the next movie. And frankly, that isn't looking too likely just now.
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Cathexis The Angel of Avalon
Joined: 26 Dec 2001 Posts: 5901 Location: ~~ Where Dreams Have No End�
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:12 am |
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memyselfandI wrote: | I respect you're opinion on Enterprise, but I really don't think we need the negative attitudes in this section for now......please leave us fans to our business for the time being. Gloating is just plain rude. |
My opinion is not negative....at all. And I'm not gloating...it's not as if I knocked on the producers' doors, held a gun to their heads, and said "Cancel Enterprise!" and then came back just to show off that they actually stopped the show. It will air until May....and I think it is due to end.....
Anyway....
I love Star Trek....it's why I joined this site. I have no intention of being rude, but expressing my opinion as an avid fan of the franchise for the last some-odd years. I have a right to do so. This is my business as well....I watched the show in 2001, when it first aired...and I was greatly excited about it....until it began it's downhill plummet towards the derailment of continuity. This show seemingly "went off on its own," leaving those who were waiting for a new and continuing Trek story to deal with a far too advanced prequel of TOS (which was better than ST: Enterprise).
I am sorry for those who loved this series. It must be a great disappointment. But you cannot blame those of us who didn't enjoy it...obviously there's a reason we didn't watch it---we just didn't enjoy it! Honestly I would have expected that more people would've kept watching it because it was the only current Trek show on the air, but apparently not even that could save this series. I was outraged when Voyager ended...I absolutely adored that show from Seasons 3-7 (mainly because the first two weren't so great)...and they took it away from me, and everyone else. But life goes on, the franchise will live, and we will all move on to more exciting Trek surprises.
Star Trek is over 35 years old.....it didn't get this far to fall apart now...and it's wrong for people to blame others. You want to be upset that Enterprise is ending? Fine...but don't take it out on me. And just because I didn't like the series as much as you did doesn't mean it's not my business to know and follow-up on its progress.
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The_Sisko Commander
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 356 Location: Columbia NX-02
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:47 am |
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It's ashame that enterprise is ending. I wasn't a big fan of it but still...it's Star Trek none the less.
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memyselfandI Commodore
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 1948 Location: Michigan
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:26 am |
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I wasn't taking anything out on you Solscape....I did say that I respect your opinion, but just walking on an Enterprise themed board, and going... Quote: | YAY IT'S OVER!!............. | Is called gloating, and is rude. Nothing can change that.
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:27 pm |
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Morphy wrote: | This is terrible news! First my Firefly, then Farscape, now Enterprise. It seems like the Sci-fi genre is going down. |
I agree; however, Stargate: Atlantis is a somewhat good show. But, I still couldn't believe they were doing this to Enterprise...what will I do now for Sci-Fi on fridays at 7:00 p.m. .
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Elladan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 300
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:11 am |
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Has anyone ever read the Voyager Virtual Season episodes?
They are on http://vv8.jetc.org/main.html, and I always hoped they would one day be added to the Star Trek shows as a sort of sequel to Voyager. It's really addictive!
The storyline is also good for shows, because it can actually be implemented in almost every Star Trek Era so far seen. There is no need to find a totally new era then, just choose one (I'd prefer post-Nemesis, with Riker and maybe B4, Data's 'reincarnation'...) and shoot the stuff.
They have the designs for the sets still in their computers, as far as I know... and otherwise some of us might be able to help?
I'm actually more angry then I thought I'd be about the demise of Enterprise... well, I mean we all saw it coming, but still it's weird.
I for one did like the shows, despite some minor deficiencies, it was always fun... my sis disliked the increased violence in season 4 so she quit watching... but hey! That's only one.
I don't understand why Paramount fired it... but maybe it was some sort of short term financing project? It did bring in money, despite the lack of viewers... So maybe it was all just some sort of 'bridge', so that people would keep the name Star Trek in their minds... and now they'll come up with something REALLY grand?
But that is all just wishful thinking...
Anyways... thanks for listening to me ranting, m8s...
CU around here,
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The Delta Flyer Commodore
Joined: 08 Apr 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: East Yorkshire
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:20 pm |
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Well I'm a bit behind the times here. My internet has been down for the past 3 weeks and I've only just read the news.
Bit of a mixed reaction really. I had thought it would come to this eventually but nevertheless, t'was a shock.
For me, all the series took a while to...settle (for lack of a better word) before they gained momentum (and I'm sure some of you will criticise me for saying that but it's only my opinion - don't hurt me!). With Enterprise, you had a run of good episodes and then a really bad one. Then a good one. Then a bad one.
Before you know it, ratings are going down and they're 're-inventing' the series (or whatever you want to call it) and any momentum you had before is now gone as the series goes in a completely different direction.
I'm not glad that it's stopped, don't get me wrong - I think it's just time for a breather. Mind you, having said that, Star Trek is (again, my opinion) the flagship of the sci-fi genre. I say this despite having not enjoyed Star Trek for several years now.
New shows (woe is me, why did Firefly die?!) brought new life to the industry but without the big name backing them, (such as Star Trek) were unable to gain a large-enough audience.
I'm sure we havn't seen the death of Star Trek but I wonder, will it ever fly again like it used to???
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sabertooth1217 UPN Boycotter
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 11484 Location: Texas
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:46 pm |
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I really am upset about the fact that Enterprise was canceled. The only thing that I can do is blame all of the star trek fans. If every fan was loyal to star trek, they would have had high ratings and the show would not have been cancelled. Now that it has been, I have to say that I fully and completely believe that star trek is dead.
I doubt that there will ever be another show. If you were not a loyal Enterprise fan, you are the cause for the death of Enterprise.
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The Delta Flyer Commodore
Joined: 08 Apr 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: East Yorkshire
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:35 pm |
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Well I was never a fan of Enterprise and I don't see it as my fault nor the collective fanbase.
The way you put it, it sounds as though we should, as fans, adore everything Trek regardless of quality, simply because it is Star Trek.
I would rather say that it is the fault of the people in charge of Enterprise who, in my opinion, tried to use excellent special effects (and I'm not afraid to say that they were impressive) to replace actual storylines (and again, I'm not afraid to say that for the most part, the storylines were less than impressive when compared with other, more original and innovative shows - here's another chance for me to praise Firefly and from what I've seen, the new "Battlestar Galactica" series).
For the time being, I would say that the Star Trek franchise is too full - leaving very little scope for anyone to do anything 'new' in.
It needs a rest and by 'rest', I don't mean giving it time to stagnate. If there is going to be a new Trek series, those in charge need to have a good long think about what's going to make it different this time round; what's going to make it impressive.
To think that the premise of 'Enterprise' was along the lines of "going back to basics" now seems almost laughable. Sure, it was set in an earlier timeframe but there was the same technology, just with a slightly different name (Phase Pistol> Phaser / Photonic Torpedo> Photon Torpedo). Now perhaps it's just me but, exactly how was Enterprise anything different to any of the other series. Again, this is my opinion, but a new ship, a new crew and a new era does not make a brand new show.
Hmmm...
I shall look forward to pro-Enterprise fans slating me now
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Cathexis The Angel of Avalon
Joined: 26 Dec 2001 Posts: 5901 Location: ~~ Where Dreams Have No End�
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Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:16 pm |
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memyselfandI wrote: | I wasn't taking anything out on you Solscape....I did say that I respect your opinion, but just walking on an Enterprise themed board, and going... Quote: | YAY IT'S OVER!!............. | Is called gloating, and is rude. Nothing can change that. |
Okay....I did not gloat. Whatever you may think, you are incorrect...but I'm not going to argue about it. It may be "self-satisfaction" but it is not malicious.
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GhostOfAMemory Star-crossed Voyager
Joined: 06 Sep 2003 Posts: 4322 Location: My computer... duh
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Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:17 pm |
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WHAAAAAAH!!!!
I was so looking forward to 3 1/2 mroe years of Captain Archer and the rest *sniffle*
They have somuch potential there with the time war thing, and they could show the founding of the federation!!! Grrr... there are so many good stories left in enterprise that are never going to be told! *kicks people who cancelled it in shin*
And they BETTER not end SG-1 either!!!!!!
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Jadzia Lenara Dax Garbage Queen
Joined: 17 Oct 2001 Posts: 5761 Location: Sunnydale, California
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:01 pm |
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Morphy wrote: | This is terrible news! First my Firefly, then Farscape, now Enterprise. It seems like the Sci-fi genre is going down. |
On the note of Firefly, at least we've got the movie coming out in September. And I think they're making a miniseries with Farscape.
I truly am saddened to hear about Enterprise's cancellation. I haven't really stuck with the show, but I thought it had a lot of promise. I signed a petition at one of the other Star Trek sites.
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Lindley Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Posts: 6194 Location: Fairfax, VA
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:38 pm |
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The Farscape miniseries is already made, aired, and out on DVD.
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Was_futile Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 34
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Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:20 pm |
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Well Enterprise ends on May the 15th but family guy will see us through these tough times it starts again on may the first
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:29 am |
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I could care less about the family guy. Peter is a moron in my opinion. I am more interested in scifi stuff. So I am still poed about cancellation of Enterprise. Crazy writers!
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