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Is this wrong? Have the Democrats gone too far this time?
Yes
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 29%  [ 5 ]
Somewhat
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No
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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 2:50 pm    

*runs back and edits his post before anyone else has a chance to read it*

That is what I said silly.


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 2:58 pm    

Exalya wrote:
I think it's horrible what happened, and I would be pretty certain that it would be dems, or Kerry-supporters. Where I live, 89 cars have been vandalized because of having Bush/Cheney bumper stickers on their cars. (Last number I heard) The Dems have them ALL OVER the place. Our local Republican Headquarters got rocks thrown through the windows. Coincidence? No.

Not saying that there aren't probably some freak-repubs out there. (Haven't met them, but hey, must be fair...somewhat...) Any way you cut it, destroying property because of political alignment, no matter what party you're representing, is wrong.


Agreed.

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Are you *beep* kidding me?

You cant blame this on the democrats. This is just some random dumbasses who decided to do something stupid. There is absolutely no proof that democrats did this.


I disagree.

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Now Democrats are resorting to crazy terrorist tactics. Whats next? cutting Republican's heads off?

I agree that the majority of these people are probably just STRONG Bush haters, not exactly Democrats. Although some were. People have always put this stupid view that Bush=Hitler. Any President that goes to War = Hitler now I guess.

Great way to prove your point. Vandalize a building. I really want to support people agains Bush now....

Who the hell voted no!? Some people here think that this was ok!?


Yeah, sure. I agree 100%

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I agree that the majority of these people are probably just STRONG Bush haters, not exactly Democrats. Although some were.


Oh excuse me, I didnt see your proof.


The news is my proof. I think we all remember the RNC. The Democrats were really civil in their march.

A lady went to a speech Bush made and made this big show about her son dieing in Iraq. They had to arrest her. I saw countless Bush speeches where a crazy Democrats has to make a statement which ends with his arrest.

Democrats constantly say that Bush=Hitler. Its kinda obvious who did this.

Oh wait it must have been crazy communists. Yeah because we always hear about Communists doing this....


You are RIGHT.

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They may be democratic in their voting affiliation, but they have absolutely no tie to the Democratic Party. Theyre just random US citizens who are being dumbasses.


You just don't want to admit that it may be Democrats (and is the most likely case)

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They may be democratic in their voting affiliation, but they have absolutely no tie to the Democratic Party. Theyre just random US citizens who are being dumbasses.


I agree. I didn't say this was a group of people working for Kerry. Im saying they were Democratic voters. Now do they have ties to the party, as in literally working for Kerry? Probably not.


Uh-huh.

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Remember that we don't even know who did this, but yet, all of you except Defiant and D_star seem perfectly ready to point out that it was a democrat. Sheesh I don't care how likely it was that it might be democrats, yall make it sound like all democrats are resorting to terrorism all of the sudden. Soooo much propaganda and this is just sad.


We don't know who did that, but the Florida one WAS Democrats.



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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 3:36 pm    

I'm sorry, but where in those news reports did it say that it was democrats that did this? Oh that's right IT DOESN'T! When something happens the first thing every person do is point fingers, making the situation worse, not better.

Some fun facts no one thinks of (As told to me by people that WERE at the RNC). Did you know that almost 2/3 of the people at the RNC were Socilists or some form of it? No? didn't think so. Did you also know that the few that did riot were radicals leftists who are not considered to be democrats? no? didn't think so either. Or that there were people there doing true peace walks? Nope didn't think you did.

I don't understand how you people can put 1 and 2 together and get 4.


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 4:01 pm    

You cannot assume that they were democrats. They could well be, but they could also easily be some other bunch of nutters. Do not say something is a fact unless you have proof. Would you like it if I said any attack on the Kerry headquarters were Republicans if there was no proof? As I said before, it could well be democrats, but don't assume things.

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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 4:10 pm    

In America it is innocent until proven guilty. I think it would help if some of us were reminded of that. Even if they are democrats, don't imply that it is "Democrats striking with terrorist tactics". All we need to say is that it is a few anti-Bush extremists.

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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 4:14 pm    

Link, the Hero of Time wrote:
I'm sorry, but where in those news reports did it say that it was democrats that did this? Oh that's right IT DOESN'T! When something happens the first thing every person do is point fingers, making the situation worse, not better.

Some fun facts no one thinks of (As told to me by people that WERE at the RNC). Did you know that almost 2/3 of the people at the RNC were Socilists or some form of it? No? didn't think so. Did you also know that the few that did riot were radicals leftists who are not considered to be democrats? no? didn't think so either. Or that there were people there doing true peace walks? Nope didn't think you did.

I don't understand how you people can put 1 and 2 together and get 4.


1. That one doesn't, but the other ones that I've heard about, like Exalya's case and the breaking into the Florida headquarters has been IDed as being Democrats.
2. Actually, much of the protestors at the RNC were NEW YORKERS (as in citizens of the cities), most WERE Democrats (far left, those whakoes that broke the law, I'll give you that) whether they were very Liberal or socialist. Overall they were, in most cases, registered Democrats, and that is TRUE. And also, I know that there were a lot of people doing peace walks--I never said there weren't, but there were hundreds of arrests, most cases for disorderly conduct.
3. Did you know that DEMOCRATS (YES, ACTUALLY DEMOCRATS) at the RNC told people to DISOBEY the police? That's a FACT, and I didn't think you did.

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In America it is innocent until proven guilty. I think it would help if some of us were reminded of that. Even if they are democrats, don't imply that it is "Democrats striking with terrorist tactics". All we need to say is that it is a few anti-Bush extremists.


1. I never said that. I quoted another who did, and I wanted other opinions. And overall, sure it's like 20 or so anti-Bush extremists, but not at the RNC.



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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 4:18 pm    

Sorry, I should have added, "Although perhaps the MAJORITY were."


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 4:23 pm    

I love RMs strategy...

Any liberal comment:

I disagree! I restate the same thing ive always been saying. Im too stubborn and blind to see anything else.

Any conservative comment:

Good point! I agree! 100% the truth!

Geez dude...

Anyways, what would vandalising the republican buildings get? It only loses credibility for the democrats. Everyone starts thinking their horrible people. Can you say sabotage?


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 4:32 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
. Did you know that DEMOCRATS (YES, ACTUALLY DEMOCRATS) at the RNC told people to DISOBEY the police? That's a FACT, and I didn't think you did.


Actually I only heard of fringe groups telling followers to disobey police. Not democrats. Unless of course you want to provide proof.


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 5:23 pm    

Defiant wrote:
I love RMs strategy...

Any liberal comment:

I disagree! I restate the same thing ive always been saying. Im too stubborn and blind to see anything else.

Any conservative comment:

Good point! I agree! 100% the truth!

Geez dude...

Anyways, what would vandalising the republican buildings get? It only loses credibility for the democrats. Everyone starts thinking their horrible people. Can you say sabotage?


Oh come on Defiant! I am NOT blind, etc. I'll admit that I'm often stubborn but Blind! NO! And that's baloney!
Also, I do NOT think that it's the Democrat Party that's doing it specifically, just whacked-out Democrats.
However, the Florida case (and I'm sure Exalya's case) deals with the Democrats--not necessarily the PARTY, but radical MEMBERS of the party.
And I might be wrong, D_Star (Cool name, btw) but I've heard that it was Democrats telling the people.



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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 6:37 pm    

Yes, you are blind. As harsh as it sounds, you are. You are so far past the line of reasonability, that to you, the Republicans can do no wrong, and the Democrats are all wrong all the time. Cmon now, it doesnt *beep* matter how these people committing vandalism are voting. They are not representitives of any party or group, it just sucks that people are dumb enough to do it. END OF STORY.

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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 6:44 pm    

Defiant wrote:
Yes, you are blind. As harsh as it sounds, you are. You are so far past the line of reasonability, that to you, the Republicans can do no wrong, and the Democrats are all wrong all the time. Cmon now, it doesnt *beep* matter how these people committing vandalism are voting. They are not representitives of any party or group, it just sucks that people are dumb enough to do it. END OF STORY.


Okay, Republicans DO do wrong. I have never said that they haven't--just that it's less and that it didn't happen at the DNC.
And I've NOT said that Democrats are wrong all of the time. Just most No, seriously, Democrats are right sometimes, and even though I often don't agree with them, it's good that we have diverse views--I like it. And you know, I could be wrong, and I often am.
And okay, but I was just saying that I know that Democrats did some of those instances.
Is that "blind" to you?



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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 7:06 pm    

Defiant wrote:
Yes, you are blind. As harsh as it sounds, you are. You are so far past the line of reasonability, that to you, the Republicans can do no wrong, and the Democrats are all wrong all the time. Cmon now, it doesnt *beep* matter how these people committing vandalism are voting. They are not representitives of any party or group, it just sucks that people are dumb enough to do it. END OF STORY.


Ok so RM is blind. What do you call yourself?


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 7:43 pm    

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Defiant wrote:
Yes, you are blind. As harsh as it sounds, you are. You are so far past the line of reasonability, that to you, the Republicans can do no wrong, and the Democrats are all wrong all the time. Cmon now, it doesnt *beep* matter how these people committing vandalism are voting. They are not representitives of any party or group, it just sucks that people are dumb enough to do it. END OF STORY.


Ok so RM is blind. What do you call yourself?


I don't see myself as blind, nor do I want to be blind.



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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 7:44 pm    

Enlightened. What did you expect? Me bashing myself. My political ideology is simple. George Bush is a *beep*, John Kerry is a douchebag. At least Kerry wouldnt reinstate the draft, go on wars with no purpose or justification, and turn his back on the UN.

Oh, I love how RM acts when hes losing an argument. He slowly backs down from his point, uses "some", "most", "not always" to kind of make himself look like hes not as bad...


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 7:47 pm    

LOL. Well it was worth I try. Not that I agree with your reasoning, but I don't really feel like debating it much at the moment anyhow so whatever.

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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 7:51 pm    

Defiant wrote:
Enlightened. What did you expect? Me bashing myself. My political ideology is simple. George Bush is a *beep*, John Kerry is a douchebag. At least Kerry wouldnt reinstate the draft, go on wars with no purpose or justification, and turn his back on the UN.

Oh, I love how RM acts when hes losing an argument. He slowly backs down from his point, uses "some", "most", "not always" to kind of make himself look like hes not as bad...


1. Bush will NOT reinstate the draft!
2. Bush DID take us to war with purpose and justifacation!
3. NOT true. I was NOT losing the arguement, and I don't do that when I am, and I am NOT blind.



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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 8:12 pm    

And then when RM is confronted with the truth, he desperatly denies everything!

And no, there was no justification. Saddam had no weapons. There was no reason to invade, regardless of how he was treating his people. And the UN urged the US to not go into Iraq, and then Bush turned his back on them.

HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO COVER ALL THIS? Bush is low on troops in Afghanistan, he is losing troops daily in Iraq. He wants to go into Iran or North Korea, or wherever else his finger stops on his spinning globe, he needs more troops. That means, the draft will be reinstated.


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 8:20 pm    

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And then when RM is confronted with the truth, he desperatly denies everything!

NOT true. I was NOT confronted with the truth, and when confronted with the truth I do NOT deny everything!

And no, there was no justification. Saddam had no weapons. There was no reason to invade, regardless of how he was treating his people. And the UN urged the US to not go into Iraq, and then Bush turned his back on them.

Yes, there WAS justification, damn it! We, like MOST OF THE WORLD INCLUDING France, Russia, Germany, Great Britain, Australia, Poland, the UN, Jordan, Egypt, and MORE (even Saddam's own personnel) thought there were WMDs, so there WAS justification. And we did NOT turn our back on the UN. When they told us not to defend ourselves and Bush decided to defend our country, he did NOT turn their back on them. THEY turned their backs on US.

HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO COVER ALL THIS? Bush is low on troops in Afghanistan, he is losing troops daily in Iraq. He wants to go into Iran or North Korea, or wherever else his finger stops on his spinning globe, he needs more troops. That means, the draft will be reinstated.


Cover all this? What?
I don't see that we are low on troops in Afghanistan, the dying people are more and more non-Americans (Iraqis) and YES, if we do go into Iran or North Korea at this point, we WOULD need more troops, but that is why we are trying ESPECIALLY hard to stop them through diplomacy--then less troops will be needed in Iraq if it DOES fail and we have to go into Iran, etc. That does NOT mean that there will have to be a draft, but if ANYONE is going to be a draft, it's Kerry who said that if we need it he WOULD reinstate the draft, while Bush made it clear that he wouldn't.



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Yes, you are blind. As harsh as it sounds, you are. You are so far past the line of reasonability, that to you, the Republicans can do no wrong, and the Democrats are all wrong all the time. Cmon now, it doesnt *beep* matter how these people committing vandalism are voting. They are not representitives of any party or group, it just sucks that people are dumb enough to do it. END OF STORY.


That isn't true. It doesn't matter how they are voting? We're just gonna write them off? Yeah I'd like to see you do that if Republicans had done that. We don't really care that its Democrats. We're just annoyed that you refuse to admit. You're being a complete hypocrit. You say he believes that Republicans can do no wrong, when you in here saying Democrats didn't do that and you know that for a fact. Sounds to me like you don't believe Democrats can do no wrong.....

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In America it is innocent until proven guilty. I think it would help if some of us were reminded of that. Even if they are democrats, don't imply that it is "Democrats striking with terrorist tactics". All we need to say is that it is a few anti-Bush extremists.


Uh huh. Anti-Bush extremists. What tactics are they striking with? Maybe terrorists tacticas is going too far. How about Annoying tactics?

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You cannot assume that they were democrats. They could well be, but they could also easily be some other bunch of nutters. Do not say something is a fact unless you have proof. Would you like it if I said any attack on the Kerry headquarters were Republicans if there was no proof? As I said before, it could well be democrats, but don't assume things.


At least we would be open to that possibility. Everyone in here is like there is no possible way. Guess what? It isn't that much of a stretch that members of a political party would vandalize another partys buildings.

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I'm sorry, but where in those news reports did it say that it was democrats that did this? Oh that's right IT DOESN'T! When something happens the first thing every person do is point fingers, making the situation worse, not better.

Some fun facts no one thinks of (As told to me by people that WERE at the RNC). Did you know that almost 2/3 of the people at the RNC were Socilists or some form of it? No? didn't think so. Did you also know that the few that did riot were radicals leftists who are not considered to be democrats? no? didn't think so either. Or that there were people there doing true peace walks? Nope didn't think you did.

I don't understand how you people can put 1 and 2 together and get 4.


Heh funny you say that. You're the one thats mixing your numbers up. We're simply going based off of what we've seen in the news. Guess what? Democrats aren't the pure hearted people you think you are. Nor are Republicans. Neither side is. You'll find that this isn't such an impossible thing for ya'll to do.

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Enlightened. What did you expect? Me bashing myself. My political ideology is simple. George Bush is a *beep*, John Kerry is a douchebag. At least Kerry wouldnt reinstate the draft, go on wars with no purpose or justification, and turn his back on the UN.


Both men have said they won't reinstate the draft. I tend to believe Bush who sticks to the choices he makes. Kerry says one thing then does another. He says there won't be a draft if hes elected. If he did win I wouldn't be surprised if he reinstated.

No purpose or justification? *sigh* How many times does this have to be explained? You know what I love? How EVERYBODY agrees that Saddam out of power is a good thing. People are b*&^%$#g because Bush didn't do it their way.

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And then when RM is confronted with the truth, he desperatly denies everything!


What? Hes just stating his opinion. Its different from yours..... What are you mad he doesn't agree with you? Then guess what? Im guilty of the same thing he is.

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And no, there was no justification. Saddam had no weapons. There was no reason to invade, regardless of how he was treating his people.


Easy for you to say when you are sitting in your comfty chair in front of your nice computer inside of a solid building with no fear of the government hurting you isn't it? They didn't have that. Despite what Kerry tells you, there were people who were suffering. So I take it you want to live in a World where people can suffer but as long as its not you, its ok? I'd give anything to make you live the way they did for a week. My parents lived like that for a short time until they came here. They told me what its like. So helping them was not a bad thing. Depsite what you're candidate tells you.

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And the UN urged the US to not go into Iraq, and then Bush turned his back on them.


Oh no! Bush didn't bow down to the UN like Clinton always did and Kerry will! Horrible President! Bad Bad! We're supposed to be the lapdogs of the UN! Why did you give us free range and thought to do what we wanted Bush!? Bad President! The UN reminds me of spoiled children. We didn't do what they wanted and now they're pouting. F&*^%$g babies.....

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HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO COVER ALL THIS? Bush is low on troops in Afghanistan, he is losing troops daily in Iraq. He wants to go into Iran or North Korea, or wherever else his finger stops on his spinning globe, he needs more troops. That means, the draft will be reinstated.


He didn't say he was going to invade North Korea. He said he is going to deal with the Nuclear Arms situation.


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 10:13 pm    

All I am trying to say as that, until they catch the person, we don't know who did it. I just think that everyone needs to be a little more open minded. On the subject of open-mindedness, I find it quite funny how people fully back every single thing "their" party does without question, and will easily jump on anything that the opponent does.

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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 10:42 pm    

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All I am trying to say as that, until they catch the person, we don't know who did it. I just think that everyone needs to be a little more open minded. On the subject of open-mindedness, I find it quite funny how people fully back every single thing "their" party does without question, and will easily jump on anything that the opponent does.


You know what? I AGREE(Im not screaming, I just want to make sure you see that. )

I am completely open minded. It is totally possible that it was some crazy nut that hates Bush. He may even hate both Candidates for all I know. I don't know. I will give Democrats the benifit of the doubt.

Its like finding an African American hanging on a tree with a burnt cross near his body. Who will you think did that? The KKK or a member of it obviously.

I've seen so many Democrats on tv and real life talk about Bush=Hitler and how much they hate him and they want him to die and what not. So I find it hard to believe it was Communists..... It might be. I just didn't know Communist hated Bush that much. I guess its a good thing?


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 10:51 pm    

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That isn't true. It doesn't matter how they are voting? We're just gonna write them off? Yeah I'd like to see you do that if Republicans had done that. We don't really care that its Democrats. We're just annoyed that you refuse to admit. You're being a complete hypocrit. You say he believes that Republicans can do no wrong, when you in here saying Democrats didn't do that and you know that for a fact. Sounds to me like you don't believe Democrats can do no wrong.....


That we refuse to admit what? that some radicals, most likely radical leftists or democratic socialists (They have a technicle term that I don't remember), decided that they were going to protest Bush in their own way.

Yes, it could have been democrats, It could have been republicans wanting a fight to break out. There's No evidence. No one knows anything and no one saw anything. Pointing the finger is not going to solve anything.

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Heh funny you say that. You're the one thats mixing your numbers up. We're simply going based off of what we've seen in the news. Guess what? Democrats aren't the pure hearted people you think you are. Nor are Republicans. Neither side is. You'll find that this isn't such an impossible thing for ya'll to do.



Huh? Mixing what numbers up? Those numbers were taken off of people who was at the RNC. They were one of many groups who were doing peace walks, True peace walks. No violence, nothing.

I'm also not saying that it wasn't democrats that did it. What I'm saying is that pointing the finger at someone without any evidence is only going to create more hostilities. Jumping the gun is what get's people killed.


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Link, the Hero of Time wrote:
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That isn't true. It doesn't matter how they are voting? We're just gonna write them off? Yeah I'd like to see you do that if Republicans had done that. We don't really care that its Democrats. We're just annoyed that you refuse to admit. You're being a complete hypocrit. You say he believes that Republicans can do no wrong, when you in here saying Democrats didn't do that and you know that for a fact. Sounds to me like you don't believe Democrats can do no wrong.....


That we refuse to admit what? that some radicals, most likely radical leftists or democratic socialists (They have a technicle term that I don't remember), decided that they were going to protest Bush in their own way.

Yes, it could have been democrats, It could have been republicans wanting a fight to break out. There's No evidence. No one knows anything and no one saw anything. Pointing the finger is not going to solve anything.

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Heh funny you say that. You're the one thats mixing your numbers up. We're simply going based off of what we've seen in the news. Guess what? Democrats aren't the pure hearted people you think you are. Nor are Republicans. Neither side is. You'll find that this isn't such an impossible thing for ya'll to do.



Huh? Mixing what numbers up? Those numbers were taken off of people who was at the RNC. They were one of many groups who were doing peace walks, True peace walks. No violence, nothing.

I'm also not saying that it wasn't democrats that did it. What I'm saying is that pointing the finger at someone without any evidence is only going to create more hostilities. Jumping the gun is what get's people killed.


The numbers I mean was
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I don't understand how you people can put 1 and 2 together and get 4.


Sorry for the confusion.


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PostSun Oct 10, 2004 11:03 pm    

As I've tried to say; it doesn't matter what party did it. It more than likely was not the *official* party that had these people commit the crime. It was, more likely, some renegade lefty's, and yeah, maybe it was some way-off Repubs looking to pick a fight. Any way you cut it, it wasn't the act of the actual party itself. It was probably a group of people not even involved with their party. You can condemn what was done without condemning a whole party, but rather the people who did it. I still would be inclined to say that the people who did it were either Democrats or something farther left than that. One; I could be wrong, and two; they wouldn't represent all Dems. (Even if their sentiments might be the same, their radical actions are, again, probably not prevolent with the entire party)

I'm sure one could find vandalism among both parties. Granted, I haven't seen any Republicans having done similar acts. Either it's not talked about, I've ignored it, or it doesn't exist. There probably are pockets of it. Around where I live, though, it is most certainly the Republicans that are targetted in these type of crimes. In a predominantly Republican area, it might be the opposite. I sincerely would not know.



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