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Captain Skyline Vice Admiral
Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:02 am |
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I disagree with the death penalty, it is barbaric, It is fitting enough they get life in prison than this, i think that is far worse.
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Jeremy J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 Posts: 7823 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:04 pm |
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You think that the kind of punishment for one of the people who organised the Lockerbie bombing is punishment? He got a flat worth about �1 million. Then he got gaurds to protect him. In the flat was an office with computer, stuff to muck about with, a gym and so on. I can't remember the details, as it was a while ago but is that any kind of punishment?
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Jeff Miller Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 23947 Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:09 pm |
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Captain Skyline wrote: | I disagree with the death penalty, it is barbaric, It is fitting enough they get life in prison than this, i think that is far worse. |
so you would rather pay for him or her to have 3 meals a day, bed and a home along with possibly a TV, and work out equipment? Not me I would rather just have them put down like the animal they are if they kill someone.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:20 pm |
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PrankishSmart wrote: | Yeah, true I guess. But it's a little hard to justify murder for murder. Also, life in prison is worse than death. |
Maybe, but life in prison is just too expensive, for everybody. Sheesh, they can live for free, I mean, why don't we all go?
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:20 pm |
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Becuase freedom is taken away.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:11 pm |
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Same with the death penalty (I'm sure that depends on your point of view, though ). But is that persons suffering all that time, really worth the money that it costs? I hate to sound barbaric, but I mean, really.
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
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Puck The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:31 pm |
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This was mentioned earlier, but in the US, life without parole is less expensive than the death penalty.
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Oliver Thought Maker
Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 6096 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:44 am |
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JanewayIsHott wrote: | And life in prision uses less of your taxpayer dollars than does capital punishment. |
This argument, that murderers should get the death penalty because a life long imprisonment is just too expensive, is absurd. I've also seen the same argument made by Jeff Miller and IntrepidIsMe. If you're going to take a person's life, do it by moral principals, not by a matter of money. A person's life (child, grown-up, good guy, bad guy...) is always worth more than any amount of money.
JanewayIsHott wrote: | ...Life without parole is less costly than capital punishment... |
Capital punishment is a far more expensive system than one whose maximum penalty is life in prison. A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment. In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment.
The greatest costs of the death penalty are incurred prior to and during trial, not in post-conviction proceedings. Even if all post-conviction proceedings were abolished, the death penalty system would still be more expensive than alternative sentences. Under a death penalty system, trials have two separate phases (conviction and sentencing); they are typically preceded by special motions and extra jury selection questioning. More investigative costs are generally incurred in capital cases, particularly by the prosecution.
So it's not just the price of the bullet or whatever that one has to consider...
*EDIT* corrected a mistake...
Last edited by Oliver on Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:10 am; edited 1 time in total
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:29 am |
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JanewayIsHott wrote: | This was mentioned earlier, but in the US, life without parole is less expensive than the death penalty. | Hmmm, missed that, I'll have to look that up,
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
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Puck The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:24 am |
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^^I am doing it on moral principals....but to those dont feel the death penalty is wrong, then I try to persuade them by giving them the facts that it is more costly.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:59 am |
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I see, cost is a strange way to argue for a persons life, although it's the easiest,
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
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ILoveHarry Admiral
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 7909 Location: Houston
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:01 am |
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I think people should be forced to live with what they have done. No privlidges. Three meals a day, sure, but nothing fancey.... boring tasteless food. Murderers should suffer. Giving them death is giving them freedom from their own minds. No entertainment of any kind. Basiclly just a life of reflecting on their actions. If punishments were more strickt, people would think twice before breaing the law.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:03 am |
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I'm sure it really would only matter if they actually felt guilty about it, though.
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
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Janeway7 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 248 Location: Manchester England
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Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:50 pm the death penalty |
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The bible say's an eye for an eye. But it also say's tho salt not kill. So i'm not sure.
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Puck The Texan
Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596
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Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:11 pm |
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An eye for an eye was in the old testament....Christ teaches the opposite, "turn the other cheek"
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Jeremy J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 Posts: 7823 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:14 am |
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It also seems that the old testament is more directed at the people of Israel, rather than the individual as the new testament is. Also the argument about money was rather on the point of they don't actully suffer in jail a lot of the time. They have expensive conditions and stuff to do. And if you're making comments that people will die then the money could save other peoples lives who are more deserving. That won't matter as such if the point about capital punishment being more than life imprisionment is true.
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Ronevick The King
Joined: 23 May 2003 Posts: 11428 Location: (609), New Jersey
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:03 am |
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Actually, me and my boys had to do a report on this for school this year. We believe that the death penalty is a perfectly acceptable thing as long as it fits the crime and that the convict is proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:08 am |
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Ronevick wrote: | and that the convict is proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. |
But often that is not possible.
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Ronevick The King
Joined: 23 May 2003 Posts: 11428 Location: (609), New Jersey
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:13 am |
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^True, very true. I don't know really what else to say, its a rather controversial issue.
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Paul Marshall Rear Admiral
Joined: 30 Aug 2002 Posts: 2976 Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:35 pm |
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^Yeah, the world is not perfect so controversy will always remain. Trying to do away with it just gets people in trouble.
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Lt. Commander Warwick Lieutenant
Joined: 29 Aug 2002 Posts: 158 Location: Memphis,TN U.S.A.
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:40 pm |
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I will more than likely make a lot of you angery with me.
But, this is how I fill about this.
I belive that once you have been convited and sentens to death they should take you down to the basement of the court house and put to death on live T.V. NO mater the COST, to me it is werth it.
Here in Memphis, TN. in the old days we use to have public beattings. I fill the same on this to.
You have to show the bad guys what will happen to them IF they do the crime.
I will say that the prisions shouldn't let the bad guys out of there cells not once. The guards will bring them ther food and water. This meens NO T.V.s, computers, or gems to work out in. 0% FREEDOM.
I will say that I'm sorry for making you angery with me.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:16 pm |
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I concur with zero percent freedom. They pretty much already do things, where victims of killers can watch them die. When Timothy McVeigh was put to death, they had a lottery to choose which of the victim's family members could be there to watch. It seems rather barbaric and disgusting to me.
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"Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being."
-Wuthering Heights
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Paul Marshall Rear Admiral
Joined: 30 Aug 2002 Posts: 2976 Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina
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Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:43 pm |
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^It's ALL sickening.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:00 am |
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Maybe I should go and commit high treason, one of the very few crimes you can be given the death penalty for here.
I disagree with the death penalty, since the convict will get out of having to suffer the memories of what he did. Death is the easy option.
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Jeremy J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002 Posts: 7823 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:54 am |
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What happens if they don't feel sorry though?
You could also steal a sheep, at least in Scotland, as that has the death penatly on it. Or become Welsh and say inside the walls of York after dark, as people can kill you and not be punished. Some of these old laws....
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