Boston - "Holiday" Tree stirs Controversy

lex · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226

LOL - this little remark is OT, but it popped into my mind and made me laugh ... wouldn't it make a great Candid Camera stunt to have a cashier greeting customers by telling them to eat s**t?

I have a twisted sense of humor.

Republican_Man · **Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:44 pm**

Uh, no. That's different. That's profanity, and doesn't even come close to holiday greetings--much less can it be compared to it.

Theresa · **Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:46 pm**

lex clearly stated it was OFF TOPIC...

lex · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226

RM!! Come on!! You couldn't tell that that post wasn't even slightly meant to be a serious contribution to the discussion?! I can't believe it. Even the mention of Candid Camera didn't give it away?

Republican_Man · **Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:47 pm**

I didn't know that OT meant Off Topic, so my apologies--I thought that she was making a serious comparison there, and that is why I responded as such.

lex · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226

LOL - you Republicans need to hone up on the "online abbreviations" bill.

Republican_Man · **Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:54 pm**

EDITED out because my post should not have been made, but PMed. Sorry.

lex · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226

Just PMd you at the same time, I think

Link, the Hero of Time · **Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:48 pm**

I know debate on this has been long and dead, but I just got back from College and am finally done with finals so I can finally get in a small say.

First, I keep seeing Jesus tossed about. He was not born December 25th, he was born some time in the Spring. Why do we celebrate his birthday on the 25th then? Because in order to gain followers, customs and traditions were absorbed into christianity.

Lets start small, Christmas - Christmas is an absorbed holiday from the Romans. The holiday was called Saturnalia, a sometimes week long celebration to the god Saturn, the god of fertility. Evergreens were cut down and were decorated as not only homage to saturn, but as to show the strengeth of them as they stayed green when everything else wilted and died. Saturnalia was a basic week long party, where people gave each other gifts, games were played and there was a whole lot of fooling around.

Second, why is everyone up in arms about saying Happy Holidays?

A small list of holidays this last week:
Yule
Kwanza
Hanukkah
Christmas
Saturnalia
Yalda
Sol Invictus
Winter-Een-Mas
Korochun

Now there are more, I just dont want to continue listing them, as my wrist is starting to hurt. As for Founder's comment about forcing the change. Get over it, Christianity isn't the only religion in the U.S.

While I do agree the term "Holiday Tree" is stupid, saying "Happy Holidays" isn't. Give credit to some of the other religions that have been around longer then Christianity.

Republican_Man · **Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:53 pm**

The only thing that I find worth responding to, because you clearly don't understand what we mean and we've been over much of this already, is the Happy Holidays thing. Personally, I don't care if you say Happy Holidays on the street. Who should? It's your right to say it. (Although being told by your business to say Happy Holidays and not the holiday greeting of your choice is wrong.) However, when stores are saying "Happy Holidays" and that's it--that's what I'm opposed to. Say it if you want. I don't care. Just include more things than just one phrase.

Link, the Hero of Time · **Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:01 am**

However, when stores are saying "Happy Holidays" and that's it--that's what I'm opposed to. Say it if you want. I don't care. Just include more things than just one phrase.[/quote]

Why? What purpose would that serve?

Saying Happy Holidays covers all bases. It covers Christmas, Kwanza, Hanukkah, Yule, etc. Unless you want to start telling people "Happy Christmahanukwanzaca" or however that commercial says it.

Republican_Man · **Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:11 am**

See? You just don't get it. And how many times have we been trying to say this to you? In all kindness, I just don't see the point in arguing with you anymore. We have been over this for 8 pages. If you don't understand or accept our argument by now, you never will. I understand your argument entirely--an argument which I've been hearing quite a lot for over a year--and I disagree with it. But I do understand it. You clearly don't understand where we're coming from, though, after all this time...We've been over this plenty of times.

Merry Christmas. I'm done. Continue to argue if you want, however I won't play a part in it unless I find it necessary, considering how many times we've gone over this and seeing that you don't understand where we're coming from at all.

Continue to debate if you will, and feel free to disagree with my opinions and Founder's opinion.

Link, the Hero of Time · **Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:12 pm**

Ah, Ethnocentrism at its best.

Republican_Man · **Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:27 pm**

Uh, yeah. It's ethnocentralism, if you wish to believe that.

Lord Borg · **Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:12 pm**

I dont care if one says "Happy Holidays" it does indeed cover all the holidays, especialy if you happen to say it to someone to celebrates more then one holiday becuase of family practices and what not. What i care about, is that the Christianity aspect of the holidays, has to "change" so people arnt "offended" and yet none of the others do. If christmas tree needs to be holiday tree? then the jewish seven (or is it eight? I am not to sure of this sadly) candel display needs to be changed to "Holiday Candle Display"

that sort of thing. (Dont mean to use the term candle display, I dont know the name

)