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Theresa
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 Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:55 pm Did Don Imus deserve to be fired? |
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I must admit, I'm kind of surprised to see nothing about this posted here. Especially considering what a HUGE story it's been.
What was said.
| Quote: | IMUS: That's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos and --
McGUIRK: Some hard-core hos.
IMUS: That's some nappy-headed hos there. I'm gonna tell you that now, man, that's some -- woo. And the girls from Tennessee, they all look cute, you know, so, like -- kinda like -- I don't know.
McGUIRK: A Spike Lee thing.
...ROSENBERG: It was a tough watch. The more I look at Rutgers, they look exactly like the Toronto Raptors.
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According to MSNBC's own poll, 52% of the public think that the firing was going too far. (As of 1500 4/13/07)
I'm rather amused though, that Al Sharpton has been used by many as the "ruler" by which we should all judge racial equality. The man is one of the worst racists in the public eye today.
If you've completey missed this entire thing, you can read about it HERE. Or just google it yourself.
[This topic will bring up all kinds of different discussions about racism, what constitutes a racial remark, etc... Feel free to go with it.]
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| Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:11 pm |
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Yes, he should have been fired, taking into account the number of rude and disgusting things he's said in the past.
The only issue I have is the fact that it's not okay for him to say this most recent comment, but it's okay for African-American Rap and Hip-Hop artists to. It's a double standard that isn't fair, however, he still shouldn't have said it, whatever his intentions.
At least his wife has more class than he does.
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| Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:54 pm |
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He was to be suspended, he said stupid things, that was enough, but this...'outrage' prompted them to fire him. I really don't know, as IIM said it's a double standard that isn't fair, if an african american had said this what would the reaction be?
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| Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:38 pm |
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I think it was blown way out of proportion. He shouldn't have said it, no. He didn't say it maliciously either, and has shown sincere regret for his actions, before any serious punishment was handed out. He now has a huge platform, and I for one hope he uses it. Like has been said repeatedly, it's a huge double standard, and is being spun. (as much as I hate that terminology). USA Today did a huge article about the coach back when she was in school, how she was turned down as a cheerleader because she was black. "She did the best cartwheels, etc..., but that wasn't enough". What does that have to do with this?
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| Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:18 pm |
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I'm going to vote Yes. Why? Not because of this quote, but because of all the offensive things he's said over the years. I think it's absolutely, positively ridiculous that it's just this one discussion that's screwed him over and resulted in his firing, and I am opposed to it basically being their only reason for dropping him.
Should he have been fired? Probably. He definitely deserves it. But for this quote in particular? No.
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| Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:41 am |
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Hey! Why not fire Don King? Or Don Juan? Just please don't touch Don Johnson...Nash Bridges was an awesome show.
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| Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:00 pm |
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I have to say, though, that I think it's stupid that Imus is getting fired for calling them "hoes" yet the record labels aren't dropping Snoop Dogg, who basically makes his living bashing women with terms like that. To be honest, it's sickening. They should both be treated the same.
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RM, apparently you don't understand the insult if you think it's just for the word "hoes".
To be quite honest, I don't know who this Imus is, and while I don't think he should have been fired, I think he should have been severely reprimanded.
And RM? The thing with record labels still selling Snoop Dogg? You know exactly what you're getting when you get his CD. Not to mention the double standard involved. I, for one, think Snoop Dogg is a talentless, classless, poser. But hey, it sells in this time of (to quote David Cross) 'anti-intellectual pride.'
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You know what you're getting into when you're listening to Imus, too. He's notorious for insults and saying things that are over-the-line. This is FAR from the first time he's said anything like this before. And yes, "nappy-headed" combined with "hoes" hit him harder than just "hoes," I recognize that. But none of what you say excuses Snoop Dogg and his ilk at all.
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| Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:40 pm |
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So we can fire Don Imus for calling them a bunch of nappy headed hoes, but no one would lift a finger if Al Sharpton called someone a cracker. Jesse Jackson called New York Hymietown, no one said anything. DOUBLE STANDARD much? Lets not forget all the rappers. So black people can call other black people *beep* and they can call us crackers, but GOD FORBID we say ANYTHING about them.
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| Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:21 pm |
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I don't have a problem with him being fired. CBS is a company...they have the right to fire and hire whomever they please for whatever reason. That being said, there is a clear double standard about who can say what that needs to be pointed out and addressed.
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| Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:38 pm |
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Am I the only one who noticed the grammar? "That's some..." I think you mean, "Those are...". For shame, Don Imus. For shame.
On a side note, yes, I believe he deserved to be fired and I agree about there being a double-standard in America. However, I hardly consider "cracker" or "honky" an insult, if one were to call me such. But, rappers saying "hoes" and dropping N-bombs and such. No. I can't stand rap and I hate the subject matter. It is degrading.
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| Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:56 pm |
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If one black person can turn to another and call them a *beep*, than I can call any black person I want a *beep*
[that being said and provided the filter doesn't catch that word I'M SORRY to anyone it offends, I'm just trying to make a point]
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| Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:30 pm |
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| Starbuck wrote: | If one black person can turn to another and call them a *beep*, than I can call any black person I want a *beep*
[that being said and provided the filter doesn't catch that word I'M SORRY to anyone it offends, I'm just trying to make a point] |
That isn't the same though. When people call each other something, it has different connontations. If a black person says it to another black person, it's not offensive(well, to some black people it is) as a white person saying it. Why? Because it's a slur against him/herself. It's doubtful when he/she says it, they aren't saying it to be mean. It's a weak argument, but I understand it in regards to any race and slur.
Anyways...
I don't know if anyone watches FOX news, but a week or so back, Michelle Malkin(sp?) was hosting The Factor while Bill O'Reilly was in Ireland. She was talking to a member of the Black Panther party and the guy actually said it's ok when hip hop artists say the word because it's white people's fault. They instilled it into them during the slavery era.
Yeah...I'm sure white people told them "call women nappy headed hos", "shoot the poe-leese", and "spin dem rims". Cause you know, that sounds like the standard dialect of the American South in the 18th and 19th centuries...
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| Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:34 pm |
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True enough. I didn't catch Malkin on the Factor last week (I hardly got to watch it at all), but I did watch a Factor segment about it with her on last night, and yeah, that guy's a racist jerk, plain and simple.
I have to say that today in AP Gov my white teacher (a Jew) was talking about plots of the white bigots in the South and whatnot, as we were learning about Civil rights, and he must have used the word "cracker" about 10 times or something, and I have to say, I was absolutely offended by the use of that word. I accepted it to an extent in it's context, as most of its use was used in degradation of the Southern bigots, but still. I hated it to a T and was absolutely offended, even with it being a white person using that word.
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| Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:14 pm |
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Its about time this problem in todays society has come to the fore!The guy did deserve to be fired.And the record companies need to ban the women degrading songs they release too.
Snoop Dog,50cent and all those other talentless thugs being paid the big bucks to sprout rubbish.The x-rated movie 'music videos' should all be only put on late at night as in 10pm onwards.
Its time to pay the right people the big bucks,doctors,medical researchers.People actually making a difference in the world,not spreading thuggery and disrespect to women!
I like some rap and hip hop but most of it has gone to the gutter! 
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| Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:40 am |
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| magenta wrote: | And the record companies need to ban the women degrading songs they release too.
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Or people need to stop buying it. It is only there because of the demand. You can't blame a record company for wanting to make a profit...that's there job. If you want to fix it, you need to get people to stop listening to it.
It is depressing though that rappers and people who produce other media that degrades the human person get paid millions though. Yet, how much do our teachers get paid? Sad that our society pays people to rap about shooting people, rims, grillz, etc. while the people who actually build society get paid very very little.
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| Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:36 am |
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That isn't the same though. When people call each other something, it has different connontations. If a black person says it to another black person, it's not offensive(well, to some black people it is) as a white person saying it. Why? Because it's a slur against him/herself. It's doubtful when he/she says it, they aren't saying it to be mean. It's a weak argument, but I understand it in regards to any race and slur.
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That's more than weak. It's ridiculous.
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| Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:59 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Founder wrote: |
That isn't the same though. When people call each other something, it has different connontations. If a black person says it to another black person, it's not offensive(well, to some black people it is) as a white person saying it. Why? Because it's a slur against him/herself. It's doubtful when he/she says it, they aren't saying it to be mean. It's a weak argument, but I understand it in regards to any race and slur.
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That's more than weak. It's ridiculous. |
Uh...how is it ridiculous? When someone of your own race uses a racial slur against you the impact of it is lost because he or she can not possibly mean it in the same vein as someone from another race, now can they? Obviously, because they are of the race the slur is for. Words mean nothing. Only the impact behind them and the impact of the N-Word is far stronger from a white person to a black person then a black person to another black person. I myself don't really agree with the argument because I feel it perpetuates the racial slurs, even in a harmless way. However, it is far from "ridiculous".
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| Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:36 pm |
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It's ridiculous because we're expected to make racial lines virtually disappear. Which I happen to believe is possible. It'd be stupid to say that you'd stop seeing someone's skin color, but that's as far as it would go. But as long as those types of comments, slurs, etc... are allowed to be used by anyone, in any connotation, it's going to continue to cast any racial difference in a negative light.
We just had a day celebrating Jackie Robinson, who many at the time thought wasn't smart enough because of his skin color to play baseball. We're moving past that. Not completely, and we've still got a long way to go, but we aren't helping matters any by throwing stumbling blocks in our path, either. Double standards are wrong.
| Quote: | | When someone of your own race uses a racial slur against you the impact of it is lost because he or she can not possibly mean it in the same vein as someone from another race, now can they? |
And I disagree with that, from firsthand experience. Saw quite a fight start when one Jewish guy called another a kike.
Bill Cosby has had a lot to say about this, and the man is much more than a comedian. People really should listen to the words that come out of their mouths.
| Bill Cosby wrote: | "The more you invest in that child, the more you are not going to let some CD tell your child how to curse and how to say the word '*beep*.' This is an accepted word. You are so hip with '*beep*,' but you can't even spell it," an impassioned Cosby lamented
Whatever happened to 'Black is beautiful?' Well, it was replaced with '*beep* please,'" he said to laughter.
Cosby's message on Thursday was part common sense and part shock value.
"Education, ladies and gentleman, respect the elderly, respect for yourselves, respect for others," Cosby said. |
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(sure, it's three years old, but that's really nothing)
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| Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:11 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | It's ridiculous because we're expected to make racial lines virtually disappear. Which I happen to believe is possible. It'd be stupid to say that you'd stop seeing someone's skin color, but that's as far as it would go. But as long as those types of comments, slurs, etc... are allowed to be used by anyone, in any connotation, it's going to continue to cast any racial difference in a negative light.
We just had a day celebrating Jackie Robinson, who many at the time thought wasn't smart enough because of his skin color to play baseball. We're moving past that. Not completely, and we've still got a long way to go, but we aren't helping matters any by throwing stumbling blocks in our path, either. Double standards are wrong.
I know all of that. As I said, I don't agree with that argument (which I didn't create) because I feel that using the racially charged words, even amongst people of your own color, still gives the words credibility and strength. Obviously something no one wants. I'm simply explaining why some people may accept the terms from someone within their own race.
| Quote: | | When someone of your own race uses a racial slur against you the impact of it is lost because he or she can not possibly mean it in the same vein as someone from another race, now can they? |
And I disagree with that, from firsthand experience. Saw quite a fight start when one Jewish guy called another a kike.
Yes, I didn't say that every black person doesn't care about the N-word or ever Hispanic not care about the S-word or so on and so on. Again, I was explaining why some people don't mind it when the word is used. For example, when a black person says the N-word to another person. It happens daily, but there is very little backlash. Why? Because they are the same race and for some, it doesn't hurt them.
Bill Cosby has had a lot to say about this, and the man is much more than a comedian. People really should listen to the words that come out of their mouths.
Yeah, I never had the priveledge of hearing that speech, but from what I heard, I can agree with him. He not only spoke on the use of the N-word, but also how young black people have to take up more responsibility and the like. He came off as really intelligent and articulate.
| Bill Cosby wrote: | "The more you invest in that child, the more you are not going to let some CD tell your child how to curse and how to say the word '*beep*.' This is an accepted word. You are so hip with '*beep*,' but you can't even spell it," an impassioned Cosby lamented
Whatever happened to 'Black is beautiful?' Well, it was replaced with '*beep* please,'" he said to laughter.
Cosby's message on Thursday was part common sense and part shock value.
"Education, ladies and gentleman, respect the elderly, respect for yourselves, respect for others," Cosby said. |
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The sad part is for some reason, some in the black community admonished him for his speech.
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| Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:43 pm |
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You can't fire Donald Sutherland, as he passed away a few years back.
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| Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:57 pm |
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And that post was virtually spam, so let's not do it again, k? K.
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