Did the Borg survive Endgame?

[Founder]

This debate started in a topic that was about the new Star Trek Movie. I felt it was...not right that we all deviated from the topic. Let us continue the interesting debate here.

As I said, Memory Alpha says that it was left ambiguous. The episode left it open as well. Can anyone provide proof in the episode that says other wise?

[Lord Borg]

Like you said, the people of MA studied the episode of "Endgame" and then mentioned that it was never said if the Borg were totally destroyed or not. I can't belive after all the Borg did and went though somethng Janeway did killed Trillions of drones. MA also points out the Unicomplex seen in "Dark Frontier" was not shown

[teya]

It was left ambiguous, so you could go either way.

Personally, I think Janeway did a lot of damage with the neurolytic pathogen, and the Collective is severely weakened but not destroyed.

[Admiral Dani�l]

I think that the Borg only lossed their transwarp hub and the Unicomplex. I think about 35% destroyed, cause there are many other Borg stations across the Delta Quadrant.

[IntrepidIsMe]

Yes, I think they should have all been destroyed based on what was said and known. However, as I said before, it wouldn't be at all surprising if Trek attempted to use them again.

[Admiral Dani�l]

[Lord Borg]

[IntrepidIsMe]

Indeed. That's why I included the last sentence.

[Voyager2004]

[Lord Borg]

It was a differnt Location...., you can see differnces in the place if you look at it.

[Admiral Dani�l]

This is really a question, are you a freaking Voyager fan or do you go for the Borg, if you read opinions of some people...

[lionhead]

1.Seven of nine said there where only 6 Transwarp hubs in the galaxy. 1 is destroyed so at least 5 still remain.

2.The Unicomplex might be destroyed but we don't know ts purpose, could be one of many or hold no significance. as yuo all know nothing in the borg space has a central operating unit, os i guess the Whole borg collective doesn'twork on something like that either.

3. The borg queen might have been killed but she came bck after being destroyed in the battle at Wolf 359(she claimed) and First Contact(where she was definitly destroyed). Mayne speculations about the borg queen, we can only guess but i'm 95% sure she still exists.

4. Maybe trillions of Drones died, maybe millions of cubes maybe thoudsands of planets are now dead, or maybe jus t a few hundred drones died. Who know? But also fro that i'm 95% sure there are amny, many borg drones left, immediately starting to conquer species again.

5. I'm 50% sure the borg could get at full strength again, even though they rae at war with Species 8472

6. In Star Trek: Generations Admiral Janeway mentions the borg, that leaves me to the conclusion that they are still alive.

[Founder]

Uh...for clarification Lionhead, Admiral Janeway was in Star Trek Nemesis, not Generations. Also, she didn't really say the Borg were alive or dead. She just joked about how Picard gets all the "easy" assignments. She could be refering to the PAST when Picard faced them.

Although, I do agree on the rest of your points. People keep saying that the episode clearly states they Borg are destroyed. Anyone want to give me a quote?

[lionhead]

Right, Nemesis.

Oh and what i meant was that since she actually brought them up leaves me to think that they are still alive, since they still do talk about them.

[Admiral Dani�l]

Proof the Queen can still be alive!

[IntrepidIsMe]

Multidimenstional creature? That's just stupid. Them simply having a copy of her DNA and making a clone is much more likely. And yeah, Wikipedia is a joke. Anybody can write an article and post it, as your quote proves.

[Lynx]

I hope not.

They were dead and gone since the later episodes of TNG. It wouldn't be any good to bring them back.

[Admiral Dani�l]

You are just Naief. Only believe your own truth.

And Lynx bringing the Borg back would be the smartest thing ever, they are the greatest villains ever.

[JupiterPrime]

no they're not - at this point they are completley predicatble and boring - hell even the ENTERPRISE crew trashed them 250 years in the past.

THe borg got more and more wussed with each new encounter

[Voyager2004]

[Founder]

[Voyager2004]

[Founder]

Oh I agree that Wikipedia isn't right on the matter. My proof however was Memory Alpha, which tries to accept only canon information.

I'm not saying that without a doubt, 100%, the Borg are alive. My point is that you and some others keep saying it's PAINFULLY obvious. But if that was that case...why are we debating it?

BTW? I'm not a Borg fan. HUGE Dominion fan here. So it isn't that I'm ignoring reason or anything. I would gladly switch sides if I was given proof. All the episode said to me was that it would destroy the Queen and that Hub. Janeway even kept saying over and over that she wanted to destroy the Hub and get VOY home.

"There has to be a way we can make our cake and have it too." -something like that.

She wanted to destroy the hub, that was her objective. If destroying the entire collective was the objective, you would think something as important as that would be said out loud. That's like DS9 making an episode where they won the war and kind of...hinted at it by showing the Dominion fleet blowing up and saying absolutely nothing afterwards about the Dominion or the war.

Destroying the Borg, Star Trek's arguably greatest villian deserves to be either A) shown or B) at the very least MENTIONED. Just a quick line!

"We did it! We destroyed the Borg Collective!"

Or

"If the pathogen spreads fast enough, we'll have destroyed the entire collective..."

ANYTHING. But they said nothing at all. The most they kept talking about was destroying the hub. If they destroyed the Borg (and im admitted it's possibility) and said NOTHING about it(they didnt), then that is yet again a huge failing on VOY's part.

[Voyager2004]

[Admiral Dani�l]