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Puck
The Texan
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 Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:22 am CANADA: Freedom of the Press? |
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Al-Jazeera in, Fox News Channel out of Canada.
As some Canadians already know, Fox News channel's application has been deined by Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission(CRTC). However, Al-Jazeera has recently won approval from CRTC to broadcast in Canada. The thought of consider
ing Al-Jazeera boiled conservatives and right-wingers in Canada. Conservatives and right-wingers have complained that the liberal dominated CRTC does not want the Canadian public to see conservative and right wing point of views. Thus, denial of Fox News Channel according to conservatives. Conservatives and right-wingers persist that the liberal dominated CRTC allowed CNN because it fit their ideology. Others have shouted this is censorship gone to far by the Canadian Government.
This is Canada. If Al-Jazeera is allowed, we have to allow Fox News Channel in. With so many news sources with so many different spins, we must have more news sources to allow the public to reach informed opinions and be allowed to see all the sides. I agree with Bill O'reilly with this comment about the Canadian public,"They're not getting a full picture. And neither is most of the world." Although this comment is ironic coming from Bill O'reilly.
Oh well, at least I still have the Fox News Channel Website for entertainment. The government can't take that away from me. Although Al-Jazeera's website is just plain crazy conspiracy shouting. Nevertheless, fun to read. Like the national enquirer.
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| Quote: | Canadian Youth Taught America is Evil?
Thursday, August 05, 2004
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," August 4, 2004 that has been edited for clarity.
Watch "The O'Reilly Factor" weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to the "Radio Factor!"
BILL O'REILLY, HOST: On July 6th, I reported that a poll taken in Canada found that 40 percent of teenagers there thought America was a force for evil in the world. The number rose to 64 percent among French-Canadian teenagers. On July 16th, one of the guys who took the poll, Rudyard Griffiths, wrote in the Toronto Globe and Mail this, quote: "The first sign that the Drudge Report mention was whipping up a tempest in a teapot came in the form of a screed by a Canadian baiter and top-rated Fox News personality, Bill O'Reilly."
Joining us now from Toronto is Mr. Griffiths, who is the director of the Dominion Institute. All right, where am I going wrong here, sir?
RUDYARD GRIFFITHS, DOMINION INSTITUTE: Well, what I really took exception to is your comment that America's got the franchise on liberty and that you said, straight to the record, that Canada was equivalent to France, the Canadians had freed nobody, whereas Americans had freed hundreds of millions of people across the world.
O'REILLY: Right.
GRIFFITHS: That's just straight out wrong and it's a statement that I resent and that a lot of Canadians resent.
O'REILLY: OK.
GRIFFITHS: The truth is, we fought together in the First World War. We went into that war three years before you did, by the way.
O'REILLY: Right.
GRIFFITHS: We fought together in the Second World War (search). We went into that war about two years before you did. You know, about 10,000 Canadians served in Vietnam (search), and you sent about 16,000 draft dodgers up here. You know, in Bosnia, in Afghanistan (search), you name it, we've stood shoulder to shoulder with Americans, we've bled with Americans for the ideals of democracy and freedom, yet...
O'REILLY: All of that is true, but also true is the fact that America was a driving force in World War One and World War Two to liberate Europe from the Nazis and that's the main theater in which you fought, and Canada helped. And Canada also helped in Afghanistan, by the way, and we respect that immeasurably.
But my point was that the Canadian media and the Canadian education system is now skewing their reportage about America so that all of these children, millions of Canadian children, feel that we are an evil force in the world. They're not providing perspective to the children up there and I believe I'm absolutely correct, sir.
GRIFFITHS: Well, you know, perspective is often a problem and the problem is that the images out of Iraq are pretty negative, and that a lot of young people are watching TV a lot more than they're taking to their textbooks.
O'REILLY: Look, they're negative if you put them in that kind of a context. Certainly, no American wants anybody else killed in Iraq. But if you give a balanced presentation, which the CBC does not, the Toronto Globe and Mail does not, and say to your children, "Look, this is a rough war. This is a tough thing. But a brutal dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of people is out of office, 56 million Iraqis, or whatever it is, 36 million, have a chance at self determination."
So it's not black and white. America is not the bad guy in Iraq. It might have been a mistake, but we're not the bad guy, Mr. Griffiths, and we are being portrayed in your country as such.
GRIFFITHS: No, you're not. Public opinion in Canada was pretty divided going into that war.
O'REILLY: When you've got 64 percent of French-Canadian teenagers saying America's a force for evil, you've got a problem in the media and education up there.
GRIFFITHS: Look, I think this is a temporary problem, but it's a problem for Americans and it's a problem with this current president that you've got.
O'REILLY: Not a problem for America. We have a balanced media here. You don't.
GRIFFITHS: Well, look, I think you've got a real responsibility as one of the leading network personalities in America to give a balanced assessment of Canada and Canadians' views. You can't just cherry pick one statistic out of hundreds of surveys and say that that's Canadians' views of Americans.
O'REILLY: We have been tough...
GRIFFITHS: We love your popular culture. We love...
O'REILLY: We have been tough on Canada because Canada, Chretien particularly, has been brutal on us. All this stat said to me was that the Canadian media and the Canadian education system is not giving the U.S.A. a fair shake. And I will stand behind that analysis and I'll give you the last word on it.
GRIFFITHS: Well, you know, two years ago when I appeared on your show and had the privilege, I invited you up here for a Canadian beer. I think you turned me down. Come on up...
O'REILLY: I didn't turn you down. It's just a matter of whether I can get up there or not.
GRIFFITHS: Some great ale, (UNINTELLIGIBLE)... you know, it's not getting south of the border because of mad cow...
O'REILLY: Look, Toronto is a great town. I'm going to have to come to Toronto...
GRIFFITHS: Please do.
O'REILLY: And I'm going to have to straighten you guys out.
GRIFFITHS: We'll roll out the red carpet for you.
O'REILLY: I'm going to have to come up there because you won't take the Fox News Channel, because your government is afraid of it.
GRIFFITHS: We watch it on the Internet.
O'REILLY: So I'm going to have to come in person to do it. Tell your government to take us so then you can watch us every night and then the kids would get a fair shot.
GRIFFITHS: OK, you're on record, you're coming up to Toronto.
O'REILLY: All right, Mr. Griffiths, thank you very much, we appreciate it. Give the kids the fair shot.
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Puck
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| Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:28 am |
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Hmmm, Al Jazeera and not Fox News Channel....sounds like the government is a little to involved in controlling what the Candian people see...almost like some authoritarian middle-eastern countries or North Korea....
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Hmmm, Al Jazeera and not Fox News Channel....sounds like the government is a little to involved in controlling what the Candian people see...almost like some authoritarian middle-eastern countries or North Korea.... |
I've known about this for a long, long time (thanks to Bill O'Reilly), and it is HORRIBLE.
Al Jazeera promotes Terrorism, people, but because the Canadian government is SOOOO Liberal they won't allow FOX News because it's "Conservative" and tells the truth.
Shows how bad and Liberal Canada is.
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Defiant
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| Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:08 pm |
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HEY! Illegal downloading is not illegal in Canada. Canada rocks.
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| Defiant wrote: | | HEY! Illegal downloading is not illegal in Canada. Canada rocks. |
That has NOTHING to do with the topic, which is what you seem to be dodging, so let me ask you, Defiant, this question: What's your opinion on THIS topic.
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Defiant
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My opinion? I dont feel like reading that, as I just worked a very tiresome shift at work. So you can take your "dodging" and shove it.
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| Defiant wrote: | | My opinion? I dont feel like reading that, as I just worked a very tiresome shift at work. So you can take your "dodging" and shove it. |
 You ARE dodging it! (Just playing around with you)
It's not much to read.
Basically, in short, Canada is allowing Al Jazeera to be seen but NOT FOX News.
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Oh. Damn. Thats no good. I hate it when the media censors whats going on. I can understand since some people cant take it, but I want to see whats really happening, not the filtered version.
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Theresa
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| Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:38 pm |
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LOL Even Iraq doesn't carry Al-Jazeera anymore,
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Seven of Nine
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Humm... maybe I should subscribe to Al-Jazeera and find out what all the fuss is about.
(Oh hang on, I have a slight money shortage )
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| Defiant wrote: | | Oh. Damn. Thats no good. I hate it when the media censors whats going on. I can understand since some people cant take it, but I want to see whats really happening, not the filtered version. |
What exactly are you talking about?
Are you saying that FOX News censors what's going on?
Or are you saying that Canada is censoring it, and it's wrong (which they are and it is)?
| Theresa wrote: | | LOL Even Iraq doesn't carry Al-Jazeera anymore, |
It's only for a month, but yes. They see that it is a station basically ENCOURAGING terrorism and giving anti-American, anti-Iraqi Freedom biased information to the public.
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Defiant
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Are you kidding me? The US sensors what is really going on extremely. We dont know *beep* by what we see on the news.
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| Defiant wrote: | | Are you kidding me? The US sensors what is really going on extremely. We dont know *beep* by what we see on the news. |
The US hardly sensors anything.
What exactly are you talking about them censoring?
The coffins of the troops?
And the media doesn't show what's really going on, such as in places like Iraq, because it is LIBERAL, but apparently not Liberal enough for you.
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ARE YOU KIDDING? Of course the media censors whats going on! They dont show half the *beep* that is going on over there, period. And during 9/11, they showed us the extremely watered down version too.
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| Defiant wrote: | | ARE YOU KIDDING? Of course the media censors whats going on! They dont show half the *beep* that is going on over there, period. And during 9/11, they showed us the extremely watered down version too. |
They should have shown us more stuff of 9/11, I'll give you that.
But the Media DOES no what's going on in Iraq, damn it! They are showing all the bad things and virtually NO good things, and MOST OF IT IS GOOD THINGS!!! Open your eyes, Defiant, my friend.
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You mean by panning away from the people throwing themselves out windows, and bodies hitting the ground? I thank them for that.
The facts are out there for anyone who bothers to look. If you decide to take one source as the truth forever, you are misleading yourself. And that's why it's so humorus that Canada carries Al-Jazeera and not a channel like Fox News. Indoctrination. Great thing.
And it's true what RM said. You only see the bad, when there are good things, too. Unfortunately you have to dig to find those things.
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| Theresa wrote: | You mean by panning away from the people throwing themselves out windows, and bodies hitting the ground? I thank them for that.
The facts are out there for anyone who bothers to look. If you decide to take one source as the truth forever, you are misleading yourself. And that's why it's so humorus that Canada carries Al-Jazeera and not a channel like Fox News. Indoctrination. Great thing.
And it's true what RM said. You only see the bad, when there are good things, too. Unfortunately you have to dig to find those things. |
Yes, and as I said in the Iraq discussion, I went to a GOP breakfast on Wednesday, and we had an IRAQI COUNCILWOMAN SPEAK TO US. She told us this, for instance: That when she turned on the news she HARDLY COULD TELL WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON, AND HAD TO CALL HOME FOR THE TRUTH. What does that say about our media.
Oh, and Theresa's right about the 9/11 thing, actually, I see her reasoning and now agree with her.
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| Defiant wrote: | | ARE YOU KIDDING? Of course the media censors whats going on! They dont show half the *beep* that is going on over there, period. And during 9/11, they showed us the extremely watered down version too. |
Ohhhhh I see, so since the government censors everything THAT must be how you know all of this "other stuff" that is going on in Iraq and that 9/11 is being "watered down".  I sooo understand what you are saying now...the majority of us don't know it, but YOU know something that we don't. Well I will keep my eye open for our oh so opressive government trying to sensor anything else.
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Some of the stuff in Iraq will have been watered down, if only for the bits of bodies etc that shouldn't be shown. But other the other hand a lot of the good stuff that is going on hasn't been shown. Some of this might be political, some might be that it doesn't sell well.
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| Jeremy wrote: | | Some of the stuff in Iraq will have been watered down, if only for the bits of bodies etc that shouldn't be shown. But other the other hand a lot of the good stuff that is going on hasn't been shown. Some of this might be political, some might be that it doesn't sell well. |
Oh, no, it's political.
And the good stuff hasn't been shown--you're right, and that councilwoman acknowledged it.
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Yes, we get the watered down version of the Iraqi conflict. People cant take the full news of it all.
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| Defiant wrote: | | Yes, we get the watered down version of the Iraqi conflict. People cant take the full news of it all. |
Where are you getting this from? The media is not showing the GOOD things there--it's all bad, hardly "watered down."
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Oh, ok. Since its all bad they show, its not watered down. Wake up RM.
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| Defiant wrote: | | Oh, ok. Since its all bad they show, its not watered down. Wake up RM. |
I'm sure that it's a little watered down, but if anyone should wake up anyways, it's you.
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I just did wake up, and now I have to go to school.
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